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Robbi's wild call with J4 vs Garrett Adelstein on Hustler Live Robbi's wild call with J4 vs Garrett Adelstein on Hustler Live
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View Poll Results: Was cheating involved?
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395 45.04%
No
482 54.96%

10-02-2022 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ES2
But she's played for a lot of hours on and off stream and this is the one hand where they are alleged to have cheated. There are other hands she lost by calling with the worst hand.

In other words, if you had "ahead and behind" signals, you could use them to always be right on the river, when you know who wins. rather than flipping. This would also be less suspicious. They passed up that opportunity and decided to play J4, put money in bad on the flop, then go totally nuts on the turn because they were flipping.

Was the buzzer not working on the flop? Well, then she probably would have just folded. Did the guy press the wrong button on the flop? Well, that's another unusual thing that has to be true.
Even Postle sometimes called on the river with the worst hand so her doing that means nothing. As for your other points...yes there are always going to be better and smarter ways for people to cheat without being caught, but if she was cheating then we don't know what the process was or what the level of poker sophistication the person relaying the signals to her has and it's a mistake to assume that the hand couldn't have played out exactly like it did.

Also there are other hands that have been discussed besides this one fwiw.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 10-02-2022 at 03:16 PM.
10-02-2022 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Even Postle sometimes called on the river with the worst hand so her doing that means nothing. As for your other points...yes there are always going to be better and smarter ways for people to cheat without being caught, but if she was cheating then we don't know what the process was or what the level of poker sophistication the person relying the signals to her has and it's a mistake to assume that the hand couldn't have played out exactly like it did.
Postle had a ton of shady hands, won an impossible amount considering the stakes they were playing and refused to play off stream with the same players he was beating to a pulp.

Robbi has one insane hand and that's it. She's a complete donk and she plays off stream with this group.

There's nothing similar to postle.
10-02-2022 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Postle had a ton of shady hands, won an impossible amount considering the stakes they were playing and refused to play off stream with the same players he was beating to a pulp.

Robbi has one insane hand and that's it. She's a complete donk and she plays off stream with this group.

There's nothing similar to postle.
My point was simply that the argument that Robbi called on the river in spots when behind shows she is not cheating is a not very well thought out one
10-02-2022 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ggbruuce
I have seen a few comments like this. The difference between bluffcatching on the river vs bet, and raise/call of a 3b on earlier streets is a massive difference.
Rui called a check raise in a 3bet pot on a flop of AQ5 holding 8 high with no draw. Then called a turn bet and insisted he'd call a river bet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s1A...el=TritonPoker
10-02-2022 , 03:16 PM
nitck is truly one of the most uneducated hypocritical idiots in a position of power (over his business) I have ever heard.

pure MAGAT

the topper was when he called joey's show of random people in the poker world airing their opinions....TRUE journalism.

huh?
10-02-2022 , 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
My point was simply that the argument that Robbi called on the river in spots when behind shows she is not cheating is a not very well thought out one
It's the combination of that, and cheating by getting her money in on a flip in a bizarre, attention-grabbing hand.

You, or at least people like Doug, are suggesting she didn't use the ahead/behind buzzer to make good river decisions. I guess to cover their tracks.

Then after covering their tracks, they pull the trigger on this hand. When they could have just made a few hero calls and folds, won more EV and drawn little to no attention.
10-02-2022 , 03:40 PM
You have to be a fish to understand her. And yes I am a fish so I fully understand her
10-02-2022 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
nitck is truly one of the most uneducated hypocritical idiots in a position of power (over his business) I have ever heard.

pure MAGAT

the topper was when he called joey's show of random people in the poker world airing their opinions....TRUE journalism.

huh?
He's a complete tool.
It's actually sickening to listen to players like DGAF kissing his ass to be able to keep playing in these games.
It's so transparent but he's an egotistical clown so he believes the bs they're spewing.
10-02-2022 , 03:44 PM
Next time Robbi walks into hustlers casino....


Spoiler:


Garret: What's the matter, not wearing a wire tonight?

10-02-2022 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
She's a complete donk
Correct.

Last edited by ArcherOfLoaf; 10-02-2022 at 03:52 PM.
10-02-2022 , 03:48 PM
Apparently the Hendon mob stats are a different person and she's only been playing a few months.

Anyone here should know to "get" the game it takes a lot longer than a few months, more like years to have a sort of inkling to understand what you're doing.

I was entirely in the "she didn't cheat" camp but the more hands I watch of hers and the analysis by top pros I'm no so certain anymore. I'd still lean fairly heavily in the didn't cheat camp but some of the "evidence" is interesting.

The use of time chips in situations where she gets to the river with no pair hi hands which are snap folds and the delay in her decisions in these spots is very strange. Also she look a similar line against Pearson where she tanks and minclicks the turn with AK hi vs Pearson's A8 hi. She also has strange table mannerisms where she shakes in certain spots or leans over the edge of the table for prolonged periods of time.

My thinking is if she cheated, she didn't have hole card information, only a signal if she's behind/ahead. Preflop her J4 is ahead. On the flop which is never a call pre in the J4 hand ( could argue low frequency raise with Jc if you do ever get there ) she gets the signal and continues, and on the turn the same thing happens. I know the equities are close but it could be as simple as her hi card beats Garretts.

At this point she's totally confused so she spazz minraises expecting Garrett just to fold but he jams, she doesn't understand why Garrett is jamming without a made hand and he must be on a pure airball. Because of the lack of her poker knowledge she doesn't understand that calling off in this spot will bring a huge amount of suspicion and shes got this far with this hand and knows her J hi is ahead so in a panic she calls it off.

This is all pure speculation on my part of course, it'll be scary the day there's a cheater who isn't as dumb as a bag of hammers like Postle who's greed gave his con up early.
10-02-2022 , 03:55 PM
https://youtu.be/9NNKjWscKWo?t=483

Time stamp. Has this been addressed? When she's facing the heat after the call she slaps her hand on the table, brings it down low, turns and covertly removes one of her rings with one hand (well, the same hand). And then she takes a drink which we all know is a tell for nervousness (bluffing) for whatever it's worth.

This is beyond suspicious.
10-02-2022 , 04:02 PM
Robbi could help her case if she wasn't a chronic liar. During her interview she denied looking back at her hand. When she clearly stares at her hand for like 15 seconds
10-02-2022 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rivercityransom
https://youtu.be/9NNKjWscKWo?t=483

Time stamp. Has this been addressed? When she's facing the heat after the call she slaps her hand on the table, brings it down low, turns and covertly removes one of her rings with one hand (well, the same hand). And then she takes a drink which we all know is a tell for nervousness (bluffing) for whatever it's worth.

This is beyond suspicious.
Yeah been addressed, she doesn't remove the ring it is still on her finger just turned around.

It still seems weird. As she turns around if you look under the dealers arm you can see what looks like her leg come up really high off the seat. Like she is lifting it up to remove something maybe?
10-02-2022 , 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rivercityransom
https://youtu.be/9NNKjWscKWo?t=483

Time stamp. Has this been addressed? When she's facing the heat after the call she slaps her hand on the table, brings it down low, turns and covertly removes one of her rings with one hand (well, the same hand). And then she takes a drink which we all know is a tell for nervousness (bluffing) for whatever it's worth.

This is beyond suspicious.
Yes, it's been covered.

The ring is still on her hand, she just turned it.
10-02-2022 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by nuxxx
Apparently the Hendon mob stats are a different person and she's only been playing a few months.

Anyone here should know to "get" the game it takes a lot longer than a few months, more like years to have a sort of inkling to understand what you're doing.

I was entirely in the "she didn't cheat" camp but the more hands I watch of hers and the analysis by top pros I'm no so certain anymore. I'd still lean fairly heavily in the didn't cheat camp but some of the "evidence" is interesting.

The use of time chips in situations where she gets to the river with no pair hi hands which are snap folds and the delay in her decisions in these spots is very strange. Also she look a similar line against Pearson where she tanks and minclicks the turn with AK hi vs Pearson's A8 hi. She also has strange table mannerisms where she shakes in certain spots or leans over the edge of the table for prolonged periods of time.

My thinking is if she cheated, she didn't have hole card information, only a signal if she's behind/ahead. Preflop her J4 is ahead. On the flop which is never a call pre in the J4 hand ( could argue low frequency raise with Jc if you do ever get there ) she gets the signal and continues, and on the turn the same thing happens. I know the equities are close but it could be as simple as her hi card beats Garretts.

At this point she's totally confused so she spazz minraises expecting Garrett just to fold but he jams, she doesn't understand why Garrett is jamming without a made hand and he must be on a pure airball. Because of the lack of her poker knowledge she doesn't understand that calling off in this spot will bring a huge amount of suspicion and shes got this far with this hand and knows her J hi is ahead so in a panic she calls it off.

This is all pure speculation on my part of course, it'll be scary the day there's a cheater who isn't as dumb as a bag of hammers like Postle who's greed gave his con up early.
So why didn't she know she was behind on the flop?
10-02-2022 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lvprof
Just because she didn't cheat other hands means she isn't cheating in this hand..

the mental gymnastics needed to get to "She cheated" shown on this thread is truly mind-boggling
I've been wildly entertained by it since it happened
10-02-2022 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ezdonkey
Another thing I don't understand at all, is why some people think it matters at all whether they ran it once or twice. If it's up in the air whether she even cheated, how can people know what sort of information they were privy to and what their cheating method was? If they knew only Garret's cards, but not the deck and future runouts, then running it twice makes sense.
As one of the only people who has recently suggested this could matter, I'll explain.

There have been two forms of information people have suggested she could be getting from a cheating method. One was knowing her opponent's hole cards; of course in that case, running it twice is irrelevant. The second is knowing the outcome of the hand ahead of time, and receiving it in a binary form - IE your hand will win at showdown, or it will not. In that case, I argued that her running it twice makes that method unlikely, as she's giving up equity for seemingly little to no gain (binary win/lose information is not going to also give you the result of running it a second time). There was a suggestion that she might do it for cover, but I argue that if she's thought through covering up for herself to that extent, you'd expect her to be much better prepared for questions afterward.
10-02-2022 , 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rivercityransom
https://youtu.be/9NNKjWscKWo?t=483

Time stamp. Has this been addressed? When she's facing the heat after the call she slaps her hand on the table, brings it down low, turns and covertly removes one of her rings with one hand (well, the same hand). And then she takes a drink which we all know is a tell for nervousness (bluffing) for whatever it's worth.

This is beyond suspicious.
the ring was not removed just rotated underneath, the band is still there. A couple minutes later the red rock can be seen between fingers 3 and 4.



is this truly LIVE and not a 5-10 minute delay?
10-02-2022 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by e1cnr
the ring was not removed just rotated underneath, the band is still there. A couple minutes later the red rock can be seen between fingers 3 and 4.



is this truly LIVE and not a 5-10 minute delay?
How can you think it's live.... It's on a 3 hour delay (not on the dot 3hrs, but 2.5-3hrs depending on when they get started)
10-02-2022 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
That is a solid point that havent been brought up before. Also i think the theory about Robbi catched a glimpse of Garretts cards when he looked at his hand is quite interesting. She does have a perfect angle from her seat,especially if she pulls her chair out to an even better angle.

If that was the case it would explain alot of stuff about this case.
Gman plays at the highest stakes in the world for years
and is also stupid enough to let the 2 seat across the table see his cards while he sits in the 9 seat?

Ya, that didnt happen.
No possible way.
"
This is possibly the stupidest cherry on top of the entire stupid "she cheated" ice cream sundae that is this situation.

I weep for your future for even typing those words, much clicking "submit reply"
10-02-2022 , 04:11 PM
SIAP, but this is gold.

10-02-2022 , 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ES2
So why didn't she know she was behind on the flop?
From an equity perspective obviously she was but J hi beats 8 hi. If there was a person signalling it would depend on their perspective of which hand is "winning" and the information available to them.

On the turn new players to the game in this spot would immediately think their opponent has a ten or some monster hand here, and would certainly not blabber broken logic about blockers post hand, or that she thought he had A hi, whatever sense that makes. Maybe she's a poker genius though.
10-02-2022 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
How can you think it's live.... It's on a 3 hour delay (not on the dot 3hrs, but 2.5-3hrs depending on when they get started)
In his defense, it is in the name.
10-02-2022 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
+1. As soon as i watched this hand the first time my gut instinct was that something isnt right here. It just isnt. Just too many loose ends that dont fit.
Probiotics dude.
Get the refridgerated kind, they are much better
That'll clear up you f-ed up gut flora right away
Then you'll realize you were terribly sick and unhealthy for thinking she cheated.

      
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