I tried online again a few weeks ago after a few years away. I am a rec/fish online and it's so damn boring! Half the players use the whole frickin time bank every move. I'm there drunk and looking to splash around but I just gave up donating cuz it's so damn boring.

Those are not pros.

Play zoom or hu (or just zoom hu).

you are not "good" enough to beat the game (online) and you blame everyone but yourself.

And if online is boring to you, just quit and play live or w/e.

This is just another whine topic

So by op's logic if you exploit an edge you are killing poker??? I bet he gets mad at people who "chase" hands too. lol

I don't think you can blame players making good decisions for making good decisions.

Do you want them to occasionally donate a stack back every so often when they know they are beat? I generally hated anyone talking to me at the tables.

Rake is much more of a factor, it kills you over time, it took me a while to admit that to myself but once I examined it I realised just how much I made for pokerstars compared to how much I made for myself. I don't think I was an absolute fish at any level I played aside from 25NL but I still couldn't beat the rake or get anywhere close.

Rake, Training Sites and HUDs make for a tough environment.

play more live. 2/5 players are so bad it's still like 2004 there.

Flattery will get you everywhere.

good post OP

I just want to be able tro play online, preferably on a site where I dont have to worry about cashing out....sigh

Two table cap, zoom for more. Since 99 and u were never balanced, means u were not a winning player. Rake should never take all ones winnings but talk to the hand.

If you are a fish you'll never have to worry about cashing out.

lmao! I would in fact have t oworry about cashing out though

I love it when a losing, depositing, player comes on, says -- "I can't beat the game and it isn't fun because regs don't create a welcome environment which is killing the game by removing people like me from the player pool" -- and then the thread immediately fills up with regs telling him to stfu and gtfo.

Human Nature ::

The problem with online poker is huds.

Get rid of huds, get rid of "soul stat reads", causes people to play less tables and focus more, makes the game way more enjoyable.

I would say sites like Stars need to limit 24 tabling at 2NL/5NL and 10NL. If rookie players are playing in games that are extremely tight for pennies and burgers why would they want to stick around in games where if the tables were restricted the games should play like a home game with rake. I know why Stars doesn't restrict tables at these stakes(Eastern Euro pros), but they are destroying their fish base from richer Western Euro countries, Canada and Australia. Who wants to play hud bots at stakes where you can make as much money collecting cans in the park. I know I don't....

This seems to come up a lot

How can we do this?

Generally agree with his post and especially this bit, and its not just American players who are guilty of this. The "is Aussie going to lose online poker" thread showed the same attitudes. No one wants to actually do anything about the situation. I feel pretty sorry for that "The Engineer" /PPA dude

We have our problems in New Zealand too. At a government level talks are underway to ban online gaming.

So I PM'd a few of the biggest earners from poker/full time pros and a few poker playing media personalities with a simple agenda to at least start discussing the issue and what could be done. Only one guy bothered to reply

Pretty bizarre that people who earn huge money from the game are not willing to fight for it and heaven forbid put some of that money back to assist in that fight. Everyone just wants to look after there own thing, confirming OP's underlining theme that professional poker players are.... {for the most part} ..... scumbags

Bovada has sort of done this with anon tables. (sort of meaning that huds still work, just only for "that" session)

If I owned the site, I'd allow daily name changes. That way you can "play" against someone (especially if you share multiple tables) but you don't get these 100,000 hand sample size soul reads on stats that take so long to converge you need that many hands (like river ck/raise, or fold to 3bet).

I'd also be a big fan of not giving players hand histories until AFTER 24 hours. That way you can track your own stats (specifically win/loss), but your opponents would be able to change their name, so it wouldn't be that helpful.

Also I'd ban seating scripts, table ninja, all of that. And if you get caught using it, first offense = warning. 2nd offense = account confiscated and banned.

I'd also ban rakeback, but have a much more "fun" oriented store/points system. Something like party did back in 2005. Where no one really counted it as an extra % back, but treated it more like fun/extra money.

I know MANY a months I grinded extra hard/long just to get a free video game or t.v. or something else silly. I mean, I could of just played less, played better, and bought the item, but it was so much FUN to get a free ps2 and games from pp.

(no points for cash, just turns points from fun into "higher grinding % back")


edited to add: I'd also put the max at like 6 tables. And make it so the only way a timebank worked is if the player clicked it (unlike pokerhost no time bank which sucks on big hands, or stars timebank where everyone's script clicks it and the play is BORING!!!!)

I'd also limit the number of tables "slow" players could play with some sort of algorithm. Example: time out "x" time in "y" hands and you can only play 3 tables instead of 6, or something like that.

"Most of us in the business have come to believe that paying out more of the field is better," wrote PokerStars' Head of Poker Communications Lee Jones.

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/0...-pca-19120.htm



Its not the sharks that are going to kill the game, its the rake.

The best thing that can happen for longevity of the game, within the states, is a competitive market that doesn't include the ROW players who have had the last 4 years to study and practice tagging along and milking our economy.

Rake is about a billion times more problematic than HUDS. Amazing how ignorant people are about this. The sites are raping everyone and will continue to do so until people stop playing.

Rikakazak

Sounds damn awesome site to play on for fish, only problem is the super tech savvy players would find a way to exploit all these restrictions somehow Im sure

You really can't begrudge people for working harder at something than you did. OP just sounds very, very bitter.

fresh stuff, fellas.

People complained about rakeback pros and HUDs in 2009 yet the games are still super soft.

Get rid of rakeback, huds & multitabling more than 2 tables imo