Rapper goes ballistic in DC Poker room after floor tells his friends to leave for sleeping.
06-29-2018
, 10:55 PM
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I agree completely on the portions of your statement that I underlined.
However, we will have to agree to disagree on your last paragraph. I don't see an entourage there; I only am going off what I see in the video, which is one dude yelling. I don't see his entourage close by, and though OP may relaying details about his friends that fell asleep as the source of this issue; I didn't notice a bunch of them. I acknowledge the possibility of a fight/brawl/violence occurring due to an obviously heated situation; however, I think the fundamental difference in my viewpoint is that that I think security would have escalated made a fight/brawl/melee more likely to happen; if they intervened more aggressively (either physically or verbally). I personally think the quiet, but present, stance was ideal for the situation; based on the video. Plus, the audio isn't great so we can't hear what security or others are saying; we can only hear villain.
Good discussion btw.
However, we will have to agree to disagree on your last paragraph. I don't see an entourage there; I only am going off what I see in the video, which is one dude yelling. I don't see his entourage close by, and though OP may relaying details about his friends that fell asleep as the source of this issue; I didn't notice a bunch of them. I acknowledge the possibility of a fight/brawl/violence occurring due to an obviously heated situation; however, I think the fundamental difference in my viewpoint is that that I think security would have escalated made a fight/brawl/melee more likely to happen; if they intervened more aggressively (either physically or verbally). I personally think the quiet, but present, stance was ideal for the situation; based on the video. Plus, the audio isn't great so we can't hear what security or others are saying; we can only hear villain.
Good discussion btw.
cool man, def agree about the discussion (rare for the zoo
). i’m more on your side of the last part after watching the video again and taking note of the number of tables running (hardly any, guessing there’s max 5 games running in the column of tables not shown). my perspective is skewed as a reg who plays almost 100% during peak hours, and would feel more strongly about my original position if 20-26/26 tables in the front section were running, and perhaps security’s response would be different in that scenario.not posting the following to make any point, just figured it’s relevant to the thread. new footage from on street in DC starts at 0:51, supposedly according to a different video of that brief chase the guy stole Casanova’s watch or something so don’t pay attention to the inaccurate title.
06-30-2018
, 12:17 AM
06-30-2018
, 01:56 AM
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cool man, def agree about the discussion (rare for the zoo ). i’m more on your side of the last part after watching the video again and taking note of the number of tables running (hardly any, guessing there’s max 5 games running in the column of tables not shown). my perspective is skewed as a reg who plays almost 100% during peak hours, and would feel more strongly about my original position if 20-26/26 tables in the front section were running, and perhaps security’s response would be different in that scenario.
not posting the following to make any point, just figured it’s relevant to the thread. new footage from on street in DC starts at 0:51, supposedly according to a different video of that brief chase the guy stole Casanova’s watch or something so don’t pay attention to the inaccurate title.
). i’m more on your side of the last part after watching the video again and taking note of the number of tables running (hardly any, guessing there’s max 5 games running in the column of tables not shown). my perspective is skewed as a reg who plays almost 100% during peak hours, and would feel more strongly about my original position if 20-26/26 tables in the front section were running, and perhaps security’s response would be different in that scenario.not posting the following to make any point, just figured it’s relevant to the thread. new footage from on street in DC starts at 0:51, supposedly according to a different video of that brief chase the guy stole Casanova’s watch or something so don’t pay attention to the inaccurate title.
You are right; I was wrong. Definitely not veiled. However, they were if/then threats. He didn't come out and say he was going to start knocking people out; rather, he essentially said if anyone other than the police tried to kick him out, there was going to be a altercation.
06-30-2018
, 02:14 AM
06-30-2018
, 01:54 PM
06-30-2018
, 06:04 PM
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Without knowing all the details, it looks to me like the floor and security handled the situation almost perfectly. The smallest clue of what this guy is about lets them know that all his yelling is better than a possible physical confrontation, where multiple people could get involved on both sides and weapons are a legit concern. They let him spout off until they felt like he was sane enough to approach.
They went to him about his friends bc he looks like person of influence among the group he is with. This is what Casanova is thinking once they ask him to leave AFTER he's supposedly told his friend he's got to leave the gaming area bc sleeping:
To convicts like him (and it seems like this guy is certified in every way), they overplay perceived slights. Whether he was an 8 yr old kid or a 19 old rikers 3 timer already, any "disrespect" can't be tolerated. It's a defense mechanism borne out of fear.
The reason he was esp angry when they tried to kick him out is that when he sees security showing up, he feels like there is an implicit threat (which there is). The key is this concept within his psyche - anybody who isn't legit law enforcement is considered a "civilian." While his ego can accept the demands of law enforcement, he def cannot accept challenges from civilians. Those security are civilians to him. So just like he wouldn't suffer another patron walking up on him, he was not willing to suffer any perceived threat from the security, without letting them and everybody else in the establishment hear him yelling that he was gonna put his hands on anybody but police if they got near him. Its his fight or flight kicking in and his nature is to always fight.
The things he's learned in life are not the lessons most of us have learned in life. After incarceration (where the smallest slights have to be handled), temper tantrums like this are common. They will usually taper off in frequency the longer he's on the street. If he's gone from stick-up kid that's prob got a couple bodies, to a rapper that is throwing tantrums after losing money and feeling disrespected, I'd say his life graph his trending upward. He lost 5 figs that night, so might have a small net positive for poker economy as well. Hopefully he can act half normal and stay off the Island. For his own good and that of his family. But mostly for the good of society (maybe a little for the poker economy too hehe)
They went to him about his friends bc he looks like person of influence among the group he is with. This is what Casanova is thinking once they ask him to leave AFTER he's supposedly told his friend he's got to leave the gaming area bc sleeping:
To convicts like him (and it seems like this guy is certified in every way), they overplay perceived slights. Whether he was an 8 yr old kid or a 19 old rikers 3 timer already, any "disrespect" can't be tolerated. It's a defense mechanism borne out of fear.
The reason he was esp angry when they tried to kick him out is that when he sees security showing up, he feels like there is an implicit threat (which there is). The key is this concept within his psyche - anybody who isn't legit law enforcement is considered a "civilian." While his ego can accept the demands of law enforcement, he def cannot accept challenges from civilians. Those security are civilians to him. So just like he wouldn't suffer another patron walking up on him, he was not willing to suffer any perceived threat from the security, without letting them and everybody else in the establishment hear him yelling that he was gonna put his hands on anybody but police if they got near him. Its his fight or flight kicking in and his nature is to always fight.
The things he's learned in life are not the lessons most of us have learned in life. After incarceration (where the smallest slights have to be handled), temper tantrums like this are common. They will usually taper off in frequency the longer he's on the street. If he's gone from stick-up kid that's prob got a couple bodies, to a rapper that is throwing tantrums after losing money and feeling disrespected, I'd say his life graph his trending upward. He lost 5 figs that night, so might have a small net positive for poker economy as well. Hopefully he can act half normal and stay off the Island. For his own good and that of his family. But mostly for the good of society (maybe a little for the poker economy too hehe)
