I feel like this is getting out of hand, im am not a hellmuth hater, but i sometimes feel like he behaves like an idiot and he played very badly this week and has played very badly on numerous occassion in cash games against top pros, but his NLH tournament credentials speak for themselves.

But you sound like an idiot when you make a sweeping statement that he is a better player than everyone who has played PAD cos he has won the most titles. listen to yourself, that is moronic.

Nowhere have a made an assumption like this about his entire career, you are such an idiot, i'm now going to stop posting because you clearly don't have the brain power to understand what i am saying.

I vote 'andreyit' as the biggest hellmuth dick-rider on these forums who agrees? Not only that but he's got to be the worst poster on here by FAR.

Well this is the first time i've come across him but from what i've seen you get my vote!
+1

He is excellent at MTTs as well as in SNG, you can check how many SNG he had won so far. It's not just because he won the most it's because he's always deep and u can't say cus he plays tight cus then he wouldn't have won so many titles as he did. I'm just saying there must be a reason why he wins so much and he is ALWAYS deep in every show.

I have already told you why you are wrong with respect to this point, i know it probably takes a good 5 times for you to understand a point but i'm not going in circles. so can i just ask you a question, seeing as though your nose smells of Hellmuths Dump and he can do no wrong, how do you think he played in this weeks PAD?

he played like a successful long run player should play.

If u wanna concentrate on a small sample and be a short time winner, ok raise it up with King high and steal the blinds, but he knows what it means to be a long run winner.

And BTW there are other things ur not taking into account cus ur so blind and u have such a biasad view on him that u will never notice it. U have no idea what has been going on on that table, both Laak and Antonio were picking on him so they would do anything to bust him out and he knew that so he tighten up. That is just one factor that u obv neglected cus u think in such a simplistic way. There other factors that we don't know cus we were not playing in that table, so if I was u I would stfu and learn a little bit why he's been so successful and what is the difference between thinking in the short run and thinking in the long run. Once u kept that difference we can carry on with this discussion.

8 pages and still no link

HAHAHA i just laughed so much at that post, you really are more ret@rded than i thought and have absolutely no comprehension of basic SNG strategy. Yea i mean with 3 or 4 bb's left folding k high from the button and limping from sb is optimal startegy, i mean the guy prob has an ace right so were behind, best waiting for an ace or a pair to be a winner in the long run.
Scrap that i mean he might have a bigger pair, best waiting for 10s or above and hope he doesnt have aces i mean we have 4 bb's left can afford to take a few more rotations cos it is a winner takes all right so might aswel hang on as long as we can, RIGHT? lol

HAHAHA im not guna waste anymore of my time on a moron like you, i really hope for your sake that this is a level, if not i'd love to look you up on sharkscope lol

lol u so sad. When I speak about he being the most successful NLHE tournament u say that doesn't matter, and now u r telling me u wanna see my stats on sharkscope u don't make sense. At least be coherent with yourself.

Hellmuth's ghost accounts obviously



I love it when he blows up and loses it.I know it's wrong to get joy from someone's pain but I just can't help myself when I comes to people like him.

Seriously you need special needs help dude, possibly the most ret@rded person i've ever come across.

It must be frustrating to not be able to find things on the internet.

Or have you not even tried, hoping that someone would do the work for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9TCAUP-fEQ#t=4m30s
-5:42

too much irony

I see what you did there... well done you! lol

andreyit quickly becoming my fav poster on 2+2

Although I think Hellmuth isn't as good as the other top stakes cash game players, I don't think he's as terrible as a lot of 2p2 make him out to be. There are televised events where he seems to have played very well (especially the tournament formats).

I think there's an observation bias because his blow ups/rants usually occur after he loses (more likely to happen from a bad play than from a suck out) and he handles winning in a calmer (although still usually egotistical) way, which is easier to forget about.

I thought he played alright in the PAD cash game with Dwan, Viffer, Baxter, Guy, and Cunningham in them. He did well in his second National Heads Up Championship match with Dwan (he did well in his first one too, but got unlucky). He did very well in the second table in HSP 4. His recent PAD showing wasn't good, but I think that's just one in 3 or 4 PAD cash games when he's actually ended up a loser. Those events don't really get mentioned too often in a Hellmuth thread.

Yes, he has his flaws and has made mistakes in poker, like most players have. His have just made for more memorable (and funny) TV.

How much does he get from endorsement ? He's probably a net loser in cash games and his tourney winnings are mostly in the past. I don't get how he even continues to play .

please more hellmuth on tv!! i will always tune in when hellmuth is playing because his constant whining is absolutely hilarious.

The man is a genius .


Theres a reason he is one of the top 3 most famous poker players AND the most talked about player on any forums
I repeat


PHIL HELLMUTH WINS IN LIFE

Oh and andreyit keep representing PH , you will win the battle vs a bunch of internet donks who hate on hellmuth cause he is fat morte successful then any of them put together.

yeah he should play .25/50 like you .

please think a little next time before u post. it helps

i think hellmuth is still an excellent tourney player and if he could handle being on the featured table late he would probably final table some ME's these days

he turns into a total idiot and plays like a fool when he's on tv

if he would just focus and do what got him there he would do well and i feel like he's letting his fans down

the next time i see him check-dark-call every street i'm gonna puke

I can assure u, Jesus approves of you enjoying it !

edit: going by your nickname, you probably already know that

While I agree it's easier to overcome a field of 150 than a field of 8000 in terms of number of opponents, I don't feel 100% when it comes to expertise and skill.

I mean, in these 8000+ fields nowadays you have the average joe who plays absolutely terrible. Guys who have seen poker on TV and decide to buy in. Back in the day, those 150 fields were filled with pro's and hardcore amateurs. I mean, you can see some full results on hendonmob and that's really a who's who of poker.