Whatever ****s your hard drive

This isn't actually relevant, but just curious.

If you guys are so close, such that you'd defend him at the lengths that you have, why did Haseeb refuse to talk poker math with you?

Also, I have no experience with escorts, but I saw on your site it's $400/hour for any time spent, including meals/travel. What % of time is spent on the clock outside of anything sexual?

UseHerName,

When asked for the loan back in September, were you one of the people that offered a partial loan that Haseeb eventually declined?

It's clear something went wrong between you guys. Where is most of the animosity coming from on your end? I'm asking before he threatened to out the hacking/impersonating thing, what happened between you guys?

For my own part, I'll say 1) I've learned never to teach random girls about poker. In the past when I've done this, the girls would get addicted to poker and it would make things terrible. 2) Since I no longer play any poker--I haven't played a hand since I quit over two years ago--I don't really talk that much about poker strategy anymore. For that reason as well I didn't want to teach her.

Ophelia is really a beginner though, she's played probably less than 200 hands of poker in her life (and I continually encouraged her not to play anymore). But I told her if she wanted to learn the basics, she should play a lot of play money poker, or read a poker book. The latter is what she ended up doing.

I won't speak for her, but I can say that we had a long and tortuous long-distance relationship that started in late 2010. It was really complicated and we fought constantly. I learned a lot from her though. She's probably the most intense woman (and the best at arguing) I'd ever met. We broke up and got back together all the time.

The whole Girah Scandal took place in London, partially while I was staying closeby to her. She saw most of it, and was continually at my side through the whole debacle. I probably wouldn't've made it out with my sanity if it weren't for her.

We fought about a lot of things after that, too. We fought a lot. I guess I thought the fighting had stopped, we hadn't talked much in the last year, but when she read this thread and saw that I was donating all my money (after having asked her for a loan in August), she said that it rubbed her the wrong way--like I was tricking her--and got incensed. I think this whole thing really just pissed her off. And then Ophelia started posting and semi-called her out. She says to me that this was what provoked her, and now that I've posted stuff about her, she wants to post whatever she can to harm me in return.

That's as far as I know, I think.

Okay. I'm going to get some sleep. I'm exhausted. I'll read whatever happens after this tomorrow. I've asked Rachel if she's willing to call a truce for a while, but I was declined. I guess I'll deal with it in the afternoon. This is all kind of like a really tripped out bad dream.

Night, guys.

Haseeb,

This is the part that I find quite dishonest. Prior to anyone knowing it was Girah that you were soliciting a loan from:

After UseHerName exposes Girah was one of the three people:

It appears you are very close with him privately, but publicly still want to maintain your distance.

Thanks for this thread...I was getting so bored of the jeans/poker stars one..

This has it all.

Although it kinda seems that haseeb is actually the lawyer and the hooker and just switching between to get more attention for your book.

Haseeb:
Nice thread you've created here. I may actually buy your book. You deserve at least $3 for all the entertainment you've provided, and, hell, it's probably a good poker book.

I'd point out one small thing:You're admission that you cared deeply for Girah directly contradicts your previous statement itt that you didn't much care about what Girah was doing (which was your explanation for why you didn't know about the Lock Challenge, which he won solely because of the Sam Chauhaun chip dump and Jungleman MAing on his account).

UserHerName: Not sure if this was made clear but are you "The Girl From London" who wrote Girah's apology?

Its a tarp! imo. Haseeb is talking to himself itt.


mind**** central. we have arrived...

Wow

lol I wonder why

Ah, I see what you're saying. You're right, I'm contradicting myself there. I guess I could say that Girah is both close to me, and not. I mean, we were involved in the scandal together. We have tons of history. I think I'm pretty much the only person in the poker world he really still talks to. But we rarely talk, and I don't keep that close of tabs on his life.

In poker terms, he's close to me. I don't talk to that many poker players anymore. Most of my normal life is... well, normal now. In that sense, with all the haggling and arguing and trying to get him to pay me money, and the occasional chats every few months, I'd say he and I have a lot of history. More than others.

But in life terms, he's not very close to me. I don't really know about his life in too much detail. We talk only once every few months. We're certainly far from good friends.

I think it's hard to encapsulate that relationship into words like "he's close" or "he's not close." It's a very complicated relationship, and often a strained one. I don't know how to describe it. I don't feel like I was being dishonest here, but maybe I'm wrong. I've been wrong before.

I don't get how you didn't want to cash out retirement because of fees but then decided to give all of your money away. Were these loans you asked for interest free? Cashing out retirement has some fees but they aren't that bad when the alternative is asking for huge loans from your "friends". Also isn't it possible to cash it out partially?

I didn't mean it in the sense of I didn't care AT ALL what he was doing. I meant, we were preoccupied with our own matters, and so I wasn't paying very close attention to him. I certainly still cared about him at that time.

Yes, that was her. She had another account back during the Girah Scandal that she posted on a little bit.

I hadn't made the decision to give away my money then. Cashing out a traditional IRA account costs a penalty+full taxes, which loses about 40% or more of the value of the account. It's a big, big hit. I was asking for the loans because they would save me a lot of money in the 6 month term.

Now that I've decided to give away my money though, I've already now withdrawn the account, and am mostly donating the cash to charity--in which case, it doesn't really matter as much.

Edit: Okay, now sleep for real. GN.

Girah - the Schrödinger cat of social relationships.

So when you said you asked three people very close to you, you ment in the poker world. Because you are not very close in normal life. But then again, you also asked the commercial lawyer, which isn't a poker player. Still seems contradictory.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.


If you have it, you should post information on the planning of the girah scam, before that first prodigy thread was started.

That would incriminate herself.

geez, I always considered myself not stupid, but this Thread blows my Mind, I honestly dont follow it all, dafuq is going on???
(Im aware of girah etc. but the beyotches now and everything around that loan etc. I just dont understand)

I wonder how eural(the one who started this thread) is connected in all this. Or is he haseeb too.

It's weird that haseeb posted within minutes of it being posted

In before girah

waow, this thread is the best christmas present ever


plaudits all-around, guise!!

Christmas time, Mistletoe and Wine
Children singing Christian rhyme
With dogs thread on fire a gift to NVG
A time to rejoice in the good that's haseeb

A time for living, a time for believing
A time for trusting, not deceiving,
Love and laughter and joy ever after
ours for the taking, just follow the master.

I am beginning to fall in love with emdashes.

In all of this, this is actually the thing that puzzles me the most.

Why on earth would you ask her to come here and defend you?

Even in the best and most positive scenario, what was that supposed to accomplish?

She may be brilliant and a fantastic person for all we know, but for these issues and to this community she is a complete random and I just don't see what she was supposed to contribute on your behalf?

For someone who knows 2+2 to bring someone unfamiliar with this board into this dumpster fire with a 'go here and defend me please', seems like a pretty cruel thing to do to a friend.

I don't recall saying much to defend him. Most of my arguing here has been defending myself against baseless accusations and false information. I think the strongest thing I said to defend Haseeb was back in post 332, when I pointed out the unsoundness of people's arguments, explained my appearance here, and said that Haseeb is guarded:
That's not a strong defense. I admitted a fault that I think he has.

Have I defended him elsewhere?

I'd gladly speak to his character since I've known him. But I don't know many details about what happened before I met him a year and a half ago. We don't talk about it. Rational argument doesn't seem to go far here with the angriest people, and I don't have much else to offer since I am a stranger to you all. I knew what I said wouldn't carry weight here. I was never planning any grand defense, just to watch for factual misinformation and maybe say something positive. It seemed harmless precisely because my opinion wasn't going to be worth much to anyone, and facts should speak for themselves. I admitted who I was as soon as I decided to actually argue with people.

Anyway, sorry, to your question: Haseeb only talks poker with me when I momentarily trick him into it. He doesn't like to talk about it.

It depends on the person, but maybe 80-90% of my time with clients is spent doing things that could never get me a charge of prostitution, which is a $100 misdemeanor anyway. It's a pretty great gig.

You need to strengthen up yo pimp hand playa.

Whoa, whoa. Read the thread. She started with me. Or Rubicon 1 did, whoever that brand-new account was, and who, coincidentally, has completely disappeared since UseHerName appeared.

She's obviously completely trustworthy, though. [<= sarcasm. (Wow, Rubicon 1 was right. Sarcasm is fun.)]