8 figures, pretty sick. wonder what the mechanic's cut was

I heard several of people got a piece of that-one pretty senior

I'll tell you a last summer story...
At the WSOP last summer I was at the rio. I lost a side bet. I went to pay that nit Mosseri at the final table. That's another story how much I lost to this nit). I was walking to give the chip and ran o Hennigan. We walked over. Just a about as we reached the final table I heard Daniel. It was like a ice pack plunging in my ears. As I was walking into the final table I noticed all these people in Daniels camp. Not one of them knew him. They were all fanboys. All in the Daniel section. It was weird....
Reminds me of a ols story that Hennigan told me years ago. He said when he was getting high years ago he busted out of a tourney early just so he would not to listen to,Daniel. Here hee hheeeee

This begs the question: How often did Chip and Doyle run scams like this on whales? Does everyone think this makes Doyle and deceased Chip scumbag scammers now? This is pretty low given the strategic advantage they already had on the whale. Saudi princes don't make for tearful victims though.

no mex the point is-everyone thinks Doyle is like their Grandpa-

trust me-He's not your grandpa, and would skin and eat you and not bat an eye-how do you think he made a living as a road gambler-by being the smartest guy in the room or the most street smart guy? Marketing is a wonderful thing

Yeah but because he has that southern charm he's able to fool people and probably has for years. There's no way to verify if this is true tho

Out of curiosity, what are these quotes from?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=64

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...7&postcount=74

Did Ted Forrest cheat Andy Beal by having the dealer use his hole cards as the turn and river of the next hand?

I don't believe beal even knows who ted Forest is? Don't think he ever played Andy in the first place so can't answer that question. Ted would not be Andy style.

I think a quote that directly contradicts a ton of written material and most all of Suicide King proves that PV is not some whacko who just regurgitates online/written rumors and passes it off as inside knowledge.

Confirmed that NVG has a high stakes mole posting.

Wonder how many attackers will suddenly jump on here now.

Anyone who is interested in the general integrity level of the 70's and 80's icons should listen to the Danny Robison episodes of Pokercast. Great stories and he sums up pretty well what was going on in Vegas when the "heroes" were young men just coming up.

Danny was the most refreshingly honest of all the guys who were active and prominent back then. RIP

P.S. Ray Zee has a ton of first hand knowledge as well. Unfortunately for us gawkers, he has probably has too much class to tell the really juicy stories.

PV,

In an earlier post to this thread you mentioned, and I am paraphrasing, that Doyle and Bill are afraid of two things, Johnny Chan being number 1. Theses two guys have huge reps as boss gamblers going back 40 years. Big poker players and sports bettors, even bigger bookmakers. Is there a specific reason they would be leery of Johnny that the general public wouldn't be aware of?

I know that Ted did play Andy Beal.

Ted playing Andy is even referred to in the title of a well known book, in an ironic way and slightly cryptic way:

"The Professor, the Banker, and the Suicide King: Inside the Richest Poker Game of All Time (ISBN 0-446-57769-3) is a 2005 book by Michael Craig detailing billionaire Andrew Beal's series of high stakes poker games with Las Vegas' top professional poker players. The book title refers to some of the professional players involved in this series. The Professor is mathematical poker mind Howard Lederer, the Banker is Andrew Beal himself, and the Suicide King is crazy, sometimes reckless player Ted Forrest. It also refers to the King of Hearts, since on the card the King's sword appears to be put in his head," Wikipedia.

This is a stupid, old, totally baseless rumor started by the GCA guys on RGP. Three whackos, two of whom used to be dealers in the crooked rooms over the years. The sad thing, is the two dealers, in particular knew a lot of stuff and had been around the movers and shakers. These guys circled around the truth, but always shot themselves in the feet, credibility wise, by making outrageous unsubstantiated claims to help generate publicity.

It's too bad that the dealers hooked up with Russ. They had the goods on a lot of the guys, but it kind of got lost in the debate.

Thanks for clearing that up - Thought PV might have a bit of insight into it.
I still have the "Cheating Tapes" DVDs that Russ was sending out.

What is the second thing they are afraid of?

Not an authority and I guess it could have happened. Just seemed so far fetched that it never went anywhere. How about the real question, Beal requested Heads Up because he feared team play. Was that fear well grounded? Is it one of the reasons heads up has become the all but de facto form of poker played for high stakes on the internet? Marked cards and cameras and mechanic dealers are all very sexy, but good old fashioned team play gets the money without the risk of physical cheating equipment.

I think as more and more young players get broke and come to grips with variance the more they will understand what poker was like at high stakes in the old days. What if your customer only comes to town once a year, for a few days? Maybe a setup that smooths out your graph a little, to use modern term, would seem appealing.

Just asked Matasow about Ted Forrest thing. He did not know what I was talking about. Said he did not think Ted played andy either. Not sure.
6 months ago beal did not mind a team. Guys went to Dallas stayed in Ritz Carlton across the street for a week until andy called to play. Backgammon and poker guys. He asked all of them to go. He did play head up but, traded around guys. Gabe Kaplan was hovering around on top of Beal the entire time. Annoying. He also had a russian girl that did not speak a word standing beside him giving him plastic bags and sanitizer stuff. Really weird.

I've not read the book, but I thought it was fairly common knowledge that "The Corporation" was all set to play Beal in a series of HU matches, but Ted Forrest sat down at the same table and got in the game.
It's even mentioned on wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_For..._Beal_Showdown

It's been a long time since I read the book but if my memory is correct I think Beal and Chip Reese were playing heads up and Forrest didn't know about the whole corporation thing and just showed up early one morning and saw Chip and Beal playing and sat down and started playing since any game being spread has to allow a player to sit if there are open seats.

From what I can remember from the book he emptied his box and say down with his entire bank roll.

This thread is highly entertaining btw.

I know jenifer harmen, Ivey,Abe mosseri and Doyle was in it. I forgot who else.

PV, What do you know about allegations that FTP pros were colluding against Guy Laliberté? Who all was involved?