meh, nevermind

Maybe. My back doesn't exceed 10 degrees throughout the entire Pendlay row set.

There were no board member payments. The deal essentially assumed some of our debts, enabling us to pay our vendors and to partially pay some back salaries. This allows the new group to start with a clean slate and to pick up where we left off, but with a funded effort.

PPA was without funding all year, and was short last year too -- a year in which we nonetheless played a major role in the PA iPoker bill fight. Despite this, no one stepped up to start an organization to do anything for players or to organize players in the political fight for our game.

As far as I can see, shutting PPA down would simply have meant we players would all be sitting back hoping industry would carry this with lobbying and advertising, which I just don't believe is enough.

And with John Pappas and you getting paid for providing ‘advisory capacity’ in the future. Nobody complains about that, it’s your prerogative to make the best deal for yourself. It’s just frustrating that you try everything short of outright lying to divert from that and make it look like you’re just doing the players a huge favor.

^^^

My advisory deal is for just three months, is substantially less than my PPA salary, and was not part of the sale agreement. And, I actually do have useful skills.

Not sure what to say, but the choice really was this or shut down.

We'll how much are you getting paid?
And how much were you getting paid prior?

It should be public info since in the prior you were representing the players.
And this sale is only worth anything to the buyers with a players list.

Edit... what's the sale agreement?

You think that "should" be public info ?

What Rich gets paid by a private LLC ?

Blame game! Stop pointing fingers already. The PPA was a failure because the people running it only cared about one thing, the highest bidder. It has been said numerous times, if the PPA wasn't supposed to be protecting players interests, that would have been fine. You emeffers were never transparent, double dipped in the coffers at every turn, and whenever someone points that out you start assigning blame everywhere except where it belongs. You failed, the PPA failed, stop trying to rewrite history because only winners get that benefit.


You should go into politics. And what's with this "we" stuff? We are still here. You are still there. We should be stunned at your ineptitude, but after years of this we are all numb to it. In one breath you say industry lobbying isn't enough, yet that is precisely what the Poker Alliance is supposed to be doing now that they strategically acquired all your mailing lists, oops meant assets.

PPA just gave their herps to Poker Alliance, its the gift that keeps on giving.

The PPA was nonprofit and you should be able to directly request the financial info you're interested in.

Try a Form 990 request re the old entity.

Rich's compensation from the new entity was no part of the sale agreement, see, above.

The PPA could not have sold Rich among its assets. He is not chattel under the 13th Amendment.

The 4th Amendment also means that, having left the PPA behind, his new compensation is between him and his new private employer.

Sorry, but you don't have Rich to kick around anymore through the PPA.

If the new poker alliance is nonprofit then same applies and consulting fee's would be disclosed in that request as well.

You are making an assumption I do not know holds.

(A private firm can lobby if it chooses, correct ?)

In any event, the request for a Form 990 is to the government and seems premature at this time.

Have at it however.

As long as he presents himself as btc stated below I think yeah he should divulge at least how much he made prior to the takeover.

It's a "we" topic when things go wrong and a "me" topic when something does go right or a paycheck is to be had.

I understand that he opened the door by making a comparative statement. That was foolish and invited additional questions.

It's clearly his right to shut that same door or invite folks to look for whatever comes out in public filings for 2018.

Every bs bidness need a calm spin doctor.

Hopefully the new owners will realize this is the perfect opportunity to replace the T shirts given out about a decade ago with a Stars deposit. I know mine got worn out, and that T shirt was pretty much the pinnacle of accomplishment, so a new one is kind of important, even if no specific constitutional amendment applies.

lol, 1st Amendment, if you are in the US.

Maybe a T-Shirt with every PokerGo subscription ?

The sad truth is, this is exactly where we are.

The industry does not want our help. The industry has its own goals, and its own priorities, and it is lobbying for itself, not for us.

The industry is more than happy to have players 'rah rah' for the industry's favored legislation, but players aren't putting foth legislation, and if they did industry would **** on it like they did in WA

And the industry has clearly stated, by no longer supporting PPA, that even PPA is no longer a worthy investment, showing how little the industry needs the players.

I think removing the 'players' from the Poker Players Alliance and becoming an industry advocate is fine, and I think those still being critical should give it a rest.

If you're going to criticize Rich and the PPA, you should start with telling us all what YOU did for legalized poker this year, or just stfu

The only difference between those who did nothing and the history of the PPA is collecting a paycheck.

^ I do appreciate your honest approach in WA state.

if you are being results oriented, then perhaps

Here's a news flash .... you can't work full time on advocacy and not draw a paycheck unless you are already independently wealthy.

You have to pay people to do the work, because people have to make a living

that's how life works

'Poker Alliance President Discusses Organization’s Revival and Goals' (https://www.pokernews.com/news/2018/...ival-31299.htm)

I think nearly everyone here would agree that Rich worked very hard and heroically for all the right reasons, and that the PAPA was always a flawed organization from inception, with disappointing results. Let's not conflate these two concepts and pretend that things aren't what they are. And don't tell honest people to STFU; many of us were here for the ride.

"one of the leading online and on-ground higher education organizations in the United States".

Mr. Brenner certainly has a charmingly unique turn of phrase .....

Let's see ...... background with the Univ. of Phoenix, a ready generator for student loans, does the "leading" metric correspond to student loan volume ?

He likely did not walk in from the street and land in this spot; hope his time-tested skills in lobbying on student loans transfers to lobbying for poker both online and "on-ground".

I heroically wore the T-Shirt without any compensation.

Apparently, heroes were everywhere, and let's remember that even if they folded without raising (poker puns - I've got them) much awareness.