Besides the possible limited revenue for poker, do you have a feel if there is anything else slowing down PS rolling out their poker room in PA? Did the recent merger(acquisition) play into this at all?

Somebody already posted this...and I freely admit, idk if it is pertinent to any upcoming US Pokerstars operation, but Pokerstars 2019 is not remotely like Pokerstars 2010, not even close.

Just to be clear, rakeback is virtually non-existent and the playing pool at all levels is a reg infested nitfest. Go to PGC and you will see regs talking about using solvers at 5nl.

Whether that will apply over on your side of the pond, I have no idea, but would interested to know how not, if something different is planned?

If using solvers helped more than 20% then they wouldn't be at 5nl. DUCY?

MS/HS winning regs understand the outputs solvers produce...there's a reason why they're playing HS while some people are stuck at 5nl.

I'm not sure what % of the MS/HS regs in NJ are using solvers, but I've noticed there are some "regs" that evidently do not. Now I'm not saying they aren't beating the games, but I believe with good game selection you can in all likelihood beat most games w/out solvers in NJ.

Game selection...also much different to 2010.

I'm guess what I'm saying (and what the other guy was implying) is that IF (caps intentional) the PS you guys get is the same as the PS we've got over here, you are going to have to be a shedload better than a winning player was in 2010, to any get any sort of return. And the concept of rakeback grinding which was a mathematical certainty for competent huge volume players no longer exists.

If your version of stars is different then ignore all...which I think I've made pretty crystal.

It has everything to do with the makeup of the player pools, not the version of the software. Rakeback isn't great on PS in the US (NJ) either, but the play is much different.

Who gives a **** if you need to study with solvers to beat midstakes in 2019? If you think that's the case then just study with solvers. If you put the work in you can win. Are people allergic to effort, or is it an irrational fear that Pio is going to morph into Skynet and take over the world?

What's your problem? I was just pointing out my view of today's games and how to beat them. That was the whole premise of the argument to begin with

Just to be clear, I only mentioned solvers as a way of demonstrating that in 2010 a joe average ABC player could crush nl5 (in 2003 a fishy rec could crush it). Now it takes a lot more than that. And there is no rake back to fall back on.

That's all.

Thanks, that makes sense and ties in with the fact that some pro grinders already play on US facing sites to take advantage of that.

And there is my interest because logically therefore, if the new US PS is one day accessible globally (idk??), the games I play in will get a whole lot softer - for a short while only I suspect.

Fingers crossed then.

I don't think it's possible limited revenue for poker, nor the merger or anything else really... its just regulatory red tape/testing/approvals. PS want to launch and something behind the scenes is holding it back, that's my read. From everything we've seen, PS has done a lot ot prepare for launch and now they are waiting for the green light. I still think we're days/weeks away.

This is a partial cross-post from a related thread here in NVG, from Oct 30th, 2019.

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PGCB Executive Director Kevin O'Toole just advised the Board that he anticipates the launch of online poker within a time frame of "three to six weeks."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91MlsKliTwY

"Moving forward in the short term, Board staff anticipates over the next three to six weeks to implement additional online platforms -- both in the areas of sports wagering and for interactive gaming activity. And we are anticipating the implementation of poker within those online gaming platforms."

-PGCB Executive Director Kevin O'Toole (Oct 30th, 2019)
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For readers who are in Pennsylvania, would you rather the two threads be combined or leave them separate? I ask b/c we have several threads here in NVG since Act 42 passed in 2017. But now that a time frame of "three to six weeks" has been communicated to the Board, players/fans may want to contain pre-launch discussion to within a single (or two at most) thread(s)?

FOLLOW UP: PlayPennsylvania is reporting that PokerStars is set for a November 4th "soft launch."

https://www.playpennsylvania.com/pok...-launch-nov-4/
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I live in Delaware and online regulated poker is probably as juicy as the boom. Tons of recs. Unfortunately for me I live about 1000 feet from the Delaware/Pennsylvania state line and the Geolocator keeps kicking me off saying I am not in Delaware so I have to play on ACR now but before that started happening I played on WSOP with Delaware/NJ/Nevada. When I was a bad player I turned $100 in to $4000 in 3 months. I’m pretty confident PA will be the same regardless if it’s Poker Stars or not. It’s the pool not the site.

Since the launch is fairly imminent, we thought it would be a good idea to close this thread and continue this conversation in the thread "Anticipated Pennsylvania Online Poker Launch ... " (see link below). Otherwise it would be difficult to have two overlapping threads active at the same time.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...019-a-1741471/