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12-07-2014 , 09:43 AM
Signed and willing to do what's necessary.
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12-07-2014 , 10:10 AM
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Pokerstars Profits Hugely at Expense of Players
Business profits at expense of patrons. Quickly, somebody call somebody!!!
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12-07-2014 , 10:20 AM
Hope all you guys signing this use the same usernames on stars so I can mark you all as fish.
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12-07-2014 , 10:40 AM
where do i sign to get rid of zoom? nearly nobody wins at zoom but u idiots keep on grinding it, so i couldn't care less about this petition! if you don't like it stop playing it, its a rake-trap and only stars profit from it - so whats new?!^^
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12-07-2014 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Zzoop
Hope all you guys signing this use the same usernames on stars so I can mark you all as fish.
this guys a character
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12-07-2014 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Zzoop
Hope all you guys signing this use the same usernames on stars so I can mark you all as fish.
Don't recognize 'Zzoop' from the 25nl Zoom pool - that's interesting to hear that you've got a win-rate of 5bb/100, because the pool's so reg-heavy, and my stats are showing me breakeven with every single one of them ... like there's just not that much edge to be had?

Actually there's one reg that's up slightly, but he's running something like wtsd/w$sd of 47/76 ..

In any case, congrats on all the success!!
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12-07-2014 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TrustySam
Don't recognize 'Zzoop' from the 25nl Zoom pool - that's interesting to hear that you've got a win-rate of 5bb/100, because the pool's so reg-heavy, and my stats are showing me breakeven with every single one of them ... like there's just not that much edge to be had?

Actually there's one reg that's up slightly, but he's running something like wtsd/w$sd of 47/76 ..

In any case, congrats on all the success!!
the way he talks id be shocked if the dude beats 2nl
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12-07-2014 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by roddy
the way he talks id be shocked if the dude beats 2nl
It does seem to be a bit unusual to see anybody who plays over 10nl to still be so thrilled with the current state of poker - what a cold splash of water that was to move up to the big 10nl and be met with the increase in rake rates ... it took me the longest time to figure out what was going on loll

oh ...
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12-07-2014 , 11:29 AM
I don't play under the username zzoop and if you check out my pgc thread you will see I am telling the truth.

Keep being in denial fish - I don't mind; you are paying for my cheeseburgers at the min.
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12-07-2014 , 11:38 AM
Someone who's doing well would usually respond to my post by thanking me for the well-wishes, and would be willing to admit they were running hot. They'd also be willing to give out their screen name - otherwise they risk sounding too much like that StarsRegProblems guy

These requests for rake relief seem like longshots - but if they have any affect at all, those would be benefitting you. So I don't see what you get out of working against the cause ... but that's your choice. Congrats again on all your success ..
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12-07-2014 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Zzoop
I don't play under the username zzoop and if you check out my pgc thread you will see I am telling the truth.
No graphs?

There'd be no shame in having started off the year with a challenge that hasn't worked out the way you'd hoped - have one of those of my own! The majority of the $$ in zoom comes from putting in volume - the rake pretty much eats away the win rates (pre-rakeback) of everybody ...

We're all in the same boat
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12-07-2014 , 12:02 PM
OP, i am interested in your brand new ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter
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12-07-2014 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Zzoop
I don't play under the username zzoop and if you check out my pgc thread you will see I am telling the truth.

Keep being in denial fish - I don't mind; you are paying for my cheeseburgers at the min.
just looked at some of your threads but mainly the ones in bbv. but yeah you don't need to worry about rake etc. thanks for the lols
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12-07-2014 , 01:00 PM
I've plenty of graphs in my pgc thread and the bbv threads were just trolling.
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12-07-2014 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Zzoop
The rake increases will barely affect losing players or winning players. The winners will still win and the losers will still lose.

Stars is STILL the cheapest to play *after* increases. Suck it up fish and improve your game.

I'm a fish and I've still managed to beat zoom for 5bb/100 over a small 130k hand sample.
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5bb/100 is actually a very good win rate for zoom. My win rate at reg tables is 15bb/100.

You've also been in my pgc thread so know I play 25NL.

Kthxbai

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Overall challenge stats:



BR: $703.09

Oh ... the 130k hands is only 1/10th from 25nl Zoom - it actually IS a good portion of 2nl and 5nl. It sounded like you were saying you had a 5bb/100 winrate from 25nl Zoom alone, on a 130k sample size ..

Those sample sizes for 10nl and 25nl are tiny - everybody, EVERYBODY has stretches of graph with those win-rates ... the games are really hard now ...
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12-07-2014 , 01:16 PM
This sucks for people that grind Stars, but it's pretty apparent that these changes are desperation moves and not just greed on the site's part.
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12-07-2014 , 01:20 PM
When will people learn 2+2 users make up less than 1% pokerstars clients.. Have fun sitting out
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12-07-2014 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Zzoop
I've plenty of graphs in my pgc thread and the bbv threads were just trolling.
You mean your PG&C thread isn't trolling?
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12-07-2014 , 01:39 PM
Whatever noobs, I'm unsubbing this thread, see you at 2kNL.
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12-07-2014 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by roddy
is it just me or has support gone down hill? seems like reply to emails are way longer. then just copied and paste ones half the time in reply. maybe i'm just being biased, but just filled out my first survey since the take over and for the first time it wasn't all 9s and 10s and very satisfieds was more 3 to 5s, and I believe I filled it out honestly
Response time to my recent e-mails has been speedier than ever, so no complaints there.

Rake of course is brutal. I sat down with $30 at a HORSE table with one other guy. After 15 minutes he was even and I was down $9! I love the game but that's the last time I'll do that. Zero incentive to try to start games.

Thought about sending an e-mail to complain but it wouldn't have done any good and neither will this petition
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12-07-2014 , 03:15 PM
Signed.

80k VPP in 5 months.
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12-07-2014 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by btr289
This sucks for people that grind Stars, but it's pretty apparent that these changes are desperation moves and not just greed on the site's part.
Apparent only under a clouded lens. Below you will find a sample from a series of posts which unfortunately imo are among the most cogent regarding the Amaya vision which have been written over the last month.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...7&postcount=55

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Originally Posted by pster
Well, you're not ever going to see lower rake. But ads on site are another thing that they could do. Everytime you log on, you could be forced to watch a 1 minute commercial. If they determine that that has no effect on whether people play or not, they will do it. They are not playing around. Gambling was always lucrative enough that the industry could thrive despite the incompetence of the management. But now, Wall Street is getting into it. They are not incompetent. Almost everybody will lose. Cocktails will not be free.
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12-07-2014 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
I agree with you up until this point, but:

Taking your play elsewhere, when they clearly don't want you any more; is like trying to win a fight by punching yourself in the face...

The only real way to hurt them enough to rethink and/or make a u-turn on their recent changes, is to get a large enough group of players together to lobby the US government to bar Stars from re-entering the US market (and thus cost them billions in lost profit in the process...). Of course nobody wants to take the risk of this (and all the US players will bitch at you for it...), so things will just stay as they are and Stars will continue to come up with yet more reg-shafting changes in the near future and so on.

Juk
This is unfortunately not feasible - we have limited power and numbers but Pokerstars do listen to criticism from the forums and have made some changes based on community support (minimum buy-in changes, new ways to combat scripting and rat-holing, new tournaments, extra rakeback for HU SNG players...). I don't think having a defeatist attitude is helpful.
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12-07-2014 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by iPUTnutsONtheTABLE
Amaya bought Stars to make money, not to care about customers. Business is all about making money and getting customers to think you care about them just enough so they'll continue to be customers.
I agree with you to some extent but winning players have always been a part of the wider poker economy - its what stimulates people's interest. If there were no winning players then there would not be as big of a pool of players available to start tables and keep them going. Poker would lose its appeal as a chance to win big by working hard - which is what stimulated the boom - the whole Moneymaker effect.
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12-07-2014 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Zzoop
The rake increases will barely affect losing players or winning players. The winners will still win and the losers will still lose.

Stars is STILL the cheapest to play *after* increases. Suck it up fish and improve your game.

I'm a fish and I've still managed to beat zoom for 5bb/100 over a small 130k hand sample.
Pokerstars is not the cheapest place to play for the majority of people. The lower levels of the VIP program offer very meagre levels of rakeback for players (under 35% for Supernova). It is extremely easy to find 60% rakeback deals when you first sign up for other sites on competing networks. Please prove me wrong with real data if you disagree on this fact.
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