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11-03-2014 , 07:05 AM

#276

djle2

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,921

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Originally Posted by Karganeth

Steve Jobs has some insightful words Amaya should listen to.

quoting so Amaya sees this.

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11-03-2014 , 07:15 AM

#277

UsainBolt969

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 635

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Originally Posted by numnah

I just had a look at the sunday millions. almost 7000 runners at this point. The machine seems to be running strong.

Wont see much change to MTT fields.

Only Hyper MTTs if any.

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11-04-2014 , 10:02 PM

#278

keops

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 4

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Originally Posted by Karganeth

Steve Jobs has some insightful words Amaya should listen to.

Brilliant. People who don't learn from the past are deemed to repeat those mistakes in the future.

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11-06-2014 , 03:14 AM

#279

POW

banned

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 942

Pokerstars' have recently made detrimental changes to their rake, promos, games and fees after years of poker yielding smaller and smaller edges.

Regs are feeling quite powerless as the site they helped build with their years of hard work no longer needs them to sustain their games. However, regs in numbers still possess a great power, the ability to turn small sites into big sites!!

The best way to fight back at Amayastars is to start grinding the small sites that have potential to grow and restore some competition back to the poker market. Become a prop (google 'online poker prop') and get 70%-150% rakeback, ask some regs on here about getting 60%+ on iPoker network. If everyone makes an effort to at least give some of your traffic too small sites I really think this would benefit us all long term.

For those who want to take the message to Amayastars personally, send an email to stars support asking to self-exclude and state your reason, then add your screen-name and self exclusion period in this thread.

We DO still have power, the power to grow poker sites!

Copy, paste and send email below after adding number of days to be excluded.

Dear Pokerstars

Due to the recent changes you have made to your rake, promotions, games and fees I no longer wish to support your site. I will be taking my business elsewhere and self-excluding my pokerstars account for XXX days.

Yours sincerely

An under-valued customer

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11-06-2014 , 03:27 AM

#280

200zoomgrinder

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 366

One thing that I haven't seen talked about is not recommending pokerstars to recs anymore. I talk to prob at least 100 people a year that are interested in what I do for a living and almost all of them ask me where I play. In the past I haven't really thought about it and just always recommended stars. Now I will always recommend one of the smaller sites and if they already play on stars for whatever reason I will tell them that the other sites are better (can think of a variety of reasons I could come up with that would make a rec try a different site). I have heard from some people that stars doesn't really care if they lose regs, so trying to make them lose as many recs as possible should also hit them in a different spot (while helping out the competition)

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11-06-2014 , 03:55 AM

#281

AllBlackDan

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Originally Posted by 200zoomgrinder

This

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11-06-2014 , 04:57 AM

#282

2Good2BThru

enthusiast

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 78

+1

Complaining here on 2+2 will not change anything.

Just withdraw your money from Stars, move to one of the smaller sites, get deposit bonuses and promotions there, and enjoy the lower rake and the softer fields. Problem solved

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11-06-2014 , 05:03 AM

#283

POW

banned

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 942

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Originally Posted by POW

I created this as a thread for self-exclusion and tips to support smaller sites, what use is it here?

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11-20-2014 , 05:17 AM

#284

LuckyLuke01

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,418

you see this all the time...

a company builds its self up to be a honest, outstanding company then some bastard comes in and just ****es it all up...

would be intresting to see where the trafic goes...

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11-20-2014 , 05:26 AM

#285

DoGGz

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it isn't going anywhere because there is 0 competition.

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11-20-2014 , 11:46 AM

#286

burnJa

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,630

http://www.parttimepoker.com/a-simpl...rake-increases

an interesting article that may calm some of you down, temporarily.

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11-20-2014 , 06:09 PM

#287

Sect7G

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Originally Posted by burnJa

http://www.parttimepoker.com/a-simpl...rake-increases

an interesting article that may calm some of you down, temporarily.

Did that article say that the ecosystem is made up of 63% fish and doesn't account for people multi tabling. (Sharks)

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11-20-2014 , 08:30 PM

#288

h88t_you

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 600

ive never understood why a site like stars cant add advertisements to their software which would result in a reduced rake.

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11-21-2014 , 01:23 AM

#289

JudgeHoldem1848

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Originally Posted by burnJa

http://www.parttimepoker.com/a-simpl...rake-increases

an interesting article that may calm some of you down, temporarily.

Great read, very interesting.

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11-21-2014 , 03:13 AM

#290

WateryBoil

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5,735

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Originally Posted by Karganeth

Steve Jobs has some insightful words Amaya should listen to.

lol replace Xerox with Amaya and its the future

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11-21-2014 , 06:45 AM

#291

madlex

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Originally Posted by burnJa

an interesting article that may calm some of you down, temporarily.

It's probably to late for that in here.

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Originally Posted by WateryBoil

lol replace Xerox with Amaya and its the future

While they might end up like Xerox, right now they are way more like Apple 10-15 years back.

The existing user base was unhappy with the company focussing on new products they didn't like and a different clientele. I still remember the "professionals" being shocked when OSX was released in 2001 because of its focus on regular customers. Apple tried to reason with that customer group for some time and then finally basically told them to take it or leave it.
FWIW, now, years later all of those people still use Apple products.

I hate the fact that Stars is using their monopoly to increase rake and I also dislike some of the other changes. But as long as there is no alternative, I don't think it's a good idea to become unreasonable to a point where they might tell some of the regulars to go f themselves because they couldn't care less.

At my home game last week, one of the guys who almost never plays online poker, told us he started to play a lot of Spin & Gos instead of the online slots he used to play. That's a totally new user group they attract to online poker.

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11-21-2014 , 07:14 AM

#292

pipi486

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 408

the free market will decide on their own
short term gain for pokerstars, but will definitely hurt them in the long term

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11-21-2014 , 07:55 AM

#293

DoGGz

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equating late 90s early 00 almost dead Apple to 2014 Amayastars monopoly seems a bit off.

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11-21-2014 , 08:59 PM

#294

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 8,128

Casino games being added to stars in 2015

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11-21-2014 , 10:19 PM

#295

mrmr

adept

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 877

I skimmed and didn't see anyone else mention this. The $3 buy-in spin and go is raked at 7% of the prize pool, as described in the table (i.e. identical to the $1 payout structure), even though it is labeled as 6%. The other ones in the spin and go table are accurate.

I'm used to thinking about rake for sngs as buy-in + rake, not as % of total prize pool, so for those who are interested, it averages out like this for the different buy-in levels:
$1=0.93+0.07
$3=2.79+0.21 at 7%, or $3=2.82+0.18 at 6%
$7=6.58+0.42
$15=14.25+0.75
$30=28.50+1.50

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11-21-2014 , 10:55 PM

#296

sandr1x

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 558

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Originally Posted by Human Halo

Casino games being added to stars in 2015

Spoiler:

POKERSTARS TO LAUNCH SPORTS BETTING AND TABLE GAMES GLOBALLY

Blackjack and roulette available in coming weeks, additional games in 2015 to support poker offering.

ONCHAN, Isle of Man – November 21, 2014 – PokerStars, the world’s largest poker brand, announced today that it will launch sports betting and casino table games globally on PokerStars.com.

The first offerings – blackjack and roulette – will roll out on a market-by-market basis beginning this month with completion anticipated by the end of 2014 reaching nearly half PokerStars’ current player base. PokerStars will add sports betting and other popular casino games in 2015. It also plans to launch a full-featured casino on mobile and web in 2015.

The launch of sports betting and casino games on PokerStars.com leverages the expertise and experience that has been gained from the launch of casino games earlier this year on PokerStars.es in Spain and on Full Tilt in January 2014.

“We are taking the same principles, practices and integrity that make PokerStars such a successful and beloved brand and applying them to new verticals,” said Eric Hollreiser, Head of Corporate Communications. “These new products will also support the development of poker and grow the overall business.”

The rollout of casino on Full Tilt and PokerStars.ES has been greeted well by poker players with approximately 30% of poker customers playing casino monthly, where those games are available. Moreover, 50% of Full Tilt casino players say that the site is the only online casino at which they play.

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“We thoroughly researched the opportunity and spent a lot of time talking to players and analysing the behavior of our customers on PokerStars.ES and Full Tilt,” Hollreiser said. “Those launches have been successful in reactivating dormant customers and extending the value of our existing poker customers. The experience on our poker platforms to-date also shows increases in net player deposits following the addition of casino games and a negligible impact on poker spend. We are confident these games will create more value to our PokerStars site and bolster the core poker offering.”

Recognizing that some poker players prefer a poker-only environment, PokerStars has enabled features that will allow customers to remove the additional games from their view and to opt out of direct marketing and promotions of the casino games.

“We are committed to extending our leadership in poker and will continue to serve the passionate online poker player, while expanding our reach into new audiences and new gaming opportunities,” Hollreiser said.

The blackjack and roulette games being launched have been built with poker-playing consumers in mind. The company has devoted resources to develop unique multiplayer games, with social and betting features that will appeal to poker-loving audiences. Combined with some of the lowest blackjack margins in the industry and micro stakes starting from $0.10, these games have demonstrated early success in appealing to a mass market poker-playing audience.

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11-22-2014 , 12:12 AM

#297

bjsmith22

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Originally Posted by DoGGz

equating late 90s early 00 almost dead Apple to 2014 Amayastars monopoly seems a bit off.

Analogizing is not equating. They might not be exactly similar, but there are similarities that are worth noting, which madlex described pretty well.

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11-25-2014 , 03:55 AM

#298

AKingdom

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Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,520

Elon Musk’s consistent success with SpaceX, Tesla, and PayPal (all across varied tech sectors) sprouts from his willingness to put his bold corporate vision before greed and the short-term demands of his shareholders, says business theorist Don Tapscott [Link to article]

Tbh it's late and I haven't read the article yet but this caption caught my eye as it seemed relevant to the running of Stars going forward.

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11-25-2014 , 05:23 PM

#299

WateryBoil

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5,735

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"We are taking the same principles, practices and integrity that make PokerStars such a successful and beloved brand and applying them to new verticals."

new verticals, AKA "we want to rape the fish with casino games"

so ****ing stupid lol

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11-26-2014 , 04:58 AM

#300

NerdSuperfly

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,172

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Originally Posted by AKingdom

Tbh it's late and I haven't read the article yet but this caption caught my eye as it seemed relevant to the running of Stars going forward.

So you didn't read the article, nor do you have insight view (e.g. exact numbers from Amaya's / PS' analysts), but you still think can judge what's right for a billion dollar company and compare it with other businesses.

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Originally Posted by WateryBoil

so ****ing stupid lol

Amaya was making money with casino games before they bought PS and FTP. Most of the other poker sites are in the casino biz as well. Online poker is getting smaller and there are a lot of operating costs.

So please explain me, why it is "stupid" to expand the business with an established brand?

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