Pokerstars.fr just started cash games tables and made them unprofitable - Page 12 - Poker News

lol I had a good laugh.

Maybe this is a good model for sites? You have a site loaded with fish that just lose because of the RAKE and not because of the sharks.....

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07-03-2010 , 09:55 PM

#278

King Fish

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Originally Posted by AceMuncher

Why don't you create an account, play some regs there and show your HM graph ?

Because I am not French. And your mother is hamster, and your father smells of elderberries.

Last edited by King Fish; 07-03-2010 at 09:55 PM. Reason: I fart in your general direction.

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07-03-2010 , 10:27 PM

#279

FearNoArt

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Originally Posted by equalsfour?

why have no PS reps responded in this thread? hmmm

Yeah, this. Stars Reps monitor threads here all the time, no reason not to respond, other than the fact they have no solid justification for these rake rates. Of course they could prove me wrong.

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07-03-2010 , 10:52 PM

#280

AceMuncher

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Originally Posted by King Fish

Because I am not French. And your mother is hamster, and your father smells of elderberries.

Well , next time read the thread, pokerstars.fr is not a French only site.
As for the rest, I won't go into mind wars against someone so harmless.

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07-03-2010 , 11:07 PM

#281

King Fish

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Originally Posted by AceMuncher

Well , next time read the thread, pokerstars.fr is not a French only site.
As for the rest, I won't go into mind wars against someone so harmless.

So you surrender. Gotit.

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07-04-2010 , 09:17 AM

#282

Psycho Boy Jack

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Sit Out Event Today to take place btween 18-22 CET.
looks like many french player will participate in this, all wearing the same avatar, all sitting out and flooding waiting lists with slogan as location (("ARJEL M A TUER") Arjel is the games regulation authority in france).
perhaps a good idea to create a french account and just sit out on any table (even play money table) in order to help them to be more visible. this rake rape could happen to many countries in the future. including usa .
the avatar to wear is there
http://www.clubpoker.net/forum-poker...hoto-43750.jpg

Sit out event thread for more info.
http://www.clubpoker.net/forum-poker...che-4-juillet/

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07-04-2010 , 09:45 AM

#283

daytorrent

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will install .fr soft just to watch it.
Can I create french account if i am not EU resident?

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07-04-2010 , 09:52 AM

#284

Superbibi

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Originally Posted by daytorrent

will install .fr soft just to watch it.
Can I create french account if i am not EU resident?

You have to declare an EEA-based bank account when registering. If you don't have one you can't create an account. Your residency doesn't matter.

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07-04-2010 , 10:03 AM

#285

Psycho Boy Jack

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Originally Posted by Superbibi

You have to declare an EEA-based bank account when registering. If you don't have one you can't create an account.

no you dont. you have to declare a bank account only if you want to cash in/out.

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07-04-2010 , 10:26 AM

#286

HopelessHousewife

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can sum1 explain why when i visit ps .it and .fr homepages they show same player amount who are currently playing online ?

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07-04-2010 , 10:38 AM

#287

gIMMesHELTEr

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Originally Posted by HopelessHousewife

can sum1 explain why when i visit ps .it and .fr homepages they show same player amount who are currently playing online ?

They are counting the playmoney players.

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07-04-2010 , 10:43 AM

#288

Vuggie

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Originally Posted by mbpoker

With deposit bonus you get much more than 30% - about 55%.

Let's make some calculations. You deposit 500 euro and get 500 euro bonus and need to earn 10,000 VPP to clear. While earning 10,000 VPP you pay 1,333 euro in rake (7.5 VPP for each euro). With 10,000 VPP you get 120 euro of stellars. Assuming you are silver on average (750 VPP/month) you also made 15,000 FPPs and can buy 3 cash bonuses 40 euro each for 13,500 FPPs. Summary:

€1,333 - rake
€500 - bonus cleared
€120 - stellar bonuses
€120 - cash bonuses

740/1333 = 55%

After you clear the bonus, it depends on your volume, but it will be over 10% even with a moderate volume and can be over 50% with a high volume.

P.S. Stars doesn't get all of your €1,333 in rake. If we guess that 20% of this rake is collected for no flop hands, it's €267 tax. For the remaining €1,066 collected in post flop hands, Stars pays 26% tax which is another €277.

So your net rake during this time is €593, French government gets €544 and Stars gets €49.

Dude, do you work for the Stars or maybe you are paid to defend them here? All you do in these forums is defend the Stars, so you must have some pecuniary interest in this.

You are the only person who thinks that this rake is not ridiculous.

Your above calculations are way off and with too many assumptions, btw. There is no way you get 55% return, unless you are really a high volume player on higher stakes, and even then it won't last long.

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07-04-2010 , 10:54 AM

#289

daytorrent

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Originally Posted by Psycho Boy Jack

I think we (non french)`d even better to participate in this event on ps.com.
To show that all players want play internationally and with normal rake.

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07-04-2010 , 11:08 AM

#290

HardGrinder

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+ day torrent will be great !

imagine on each cash game and mtt majors !

LOketto, can u do the same .xls and add the .COM rake this is good to see.

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07-04-2010 , 11:11 AM

#291

gIMMesHELTEr

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Originally Posted by daytorrent

I think we (non french)`d even better to participate in this event on ps.com.
To show that all players want play internationally and with normal rake.

+1

That's the spirit my friend!

But it's better to come on the .fr version because they are starting to be more and more surounding every day.

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07-04-2010 , 11:15 AM

#292

Superbibi

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Originally Posted by Psycho Boy Jack

no you dont. you have to declare a bank account only if you want to cash in/out.

Then they are violating the law, I suggest you report them to ARJEL

espaceconso@arjel.fr

Source : Décret n° 2010-518 du 19 mai 2010 relatif à la mise à disposition de l'offre de jeux et de paris par les opérateurs agréés de jeux ou de paris en ligne

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Article 2
Lorsqu'une personne sollicite l'ouverture d'un compte joueur auprès d'un opérateur agréé de jeux ou de paris en ligne, celui-ci, préalablement à l'ouverture de ce compte, lui demande :
1° De lui communiquer ses nom, prénoms, date et lieu de naissance, l'adresse postale de son domicile ainsi que les références du compte de paiement, tel que mentionné au dernier alinéa de l'article 17 de la loi du 12 mai 2010 susvisée, sur lequel l'opérateur reversera, le cas échéant, les avoirs du joueur ;

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07-04-2010 , 11:18 AM

#293

daytorrent

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I have seen info about this action on two major russian sites (i`m russian).
If we had more time to prepare we could do real international action of protest.

Think players of all nations would support this

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07-04-2010 , 11:22 AM

#294

gIMMesHELTEr

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Originally Posted by daytorrent

We could still do the action today like it was planed and do another (international sitting out) in a week or two?

BTW in france we are just starting to think about a way to make a union of players.
Not sure it's going to work but it's an interesting idea.
http://www.clubpoker.net/forum-poker...ms-francaises/

Last edited by gIMMesHELTEr; 07-04-2010 at 11:28 AM.

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07-04-2010 , 11:23 AM

#295

daytorrent

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Originally Posted by gIMMesHELTEr

We could still do the action today like it was planed and do another (international sitting out) in a week or two?

of course

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07-04-2010 , 12:18 PM

#296

gIMMesHELTEr

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4 of july 2010 the first digital manifestation is a succes!

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07-04-2010 , 12:20 PM

#297

FroggyJRM

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BOYCOTT IT SIMPLY!!

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07-04-2010 , 12:22 PM

#298

FroggyJRM

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BOYCOTT PS.FR //

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07-04-2010 , 12:25 PM

#299

Vuggie

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I am taking all my previous words back concerning the french players not doing anything about this.

There is a whole bunch of people currently occupying many tables at the .fr site and sitting out in protest.

And I think an action on the .com site would also be great