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06-10-2010 , 11:21 AM
IMO, calling someone an "Idiot from Northern Europe who cant even spell poker" deserves anything and everything he gets and is way worse than anything that was done on that clip, DN and Tony G know PH and they are giving it back to the one who gives it out the most. Good Job by DN and Tony G, maybe Im alone in this but from what Phil has done, he opens himself to everything he gets.
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06-10-2010 , 11:24 AM
This is cool cause it looks original. We'll see
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06-10-2010 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mutton
original 9-minute video without commentary

http://witchbag.com/blog/2010/06/pok...-game-preview/
OMFG!!!!!

I actually feel sorry for Phil here, these guys are out of order.

But I almost spat my drink out when Phil Hellmuth told people to show some class.
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06-10-2010 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by nizzwsop
IMO, calling someone an "Idiot from Northern Europe who cant even spell poker" deserves anything and everything he gets and is way worse than anything that was done on that clip, DN and Tony G know PH and they are giving it back to the one who gives it out the most. Good Job by DN and Tony G, maybe Im alone in this but from what Phil has done, he opens himself to everything he gets.
that was 2 years ago. & since then he's been pretty mature about bad beats.

while DN has only gotten more and more douchey. He's worse now than Phil ever was. Did you see his vid on rawvegas about how if you didn't notice the oops in his blog then you are obviously not ready for "THE BIG TIME". WTF!!!!!
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06-10-2010 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgSuckOut
Its amazing how Doyle without doing anything rly grows in my eyes in this vid.
I hate DN, Laak and Tony G . Huge bad beat fwiw
meh.
PH shouldn't call people "idiots", "morons" and consistently insult other players' intelligence at the table and not be able to handle maximum **** in return.

like he is one to talk about "class"...what a joke.
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06-10-2010 , 11:55 AM
Negreanu and Tony G should have a good look at what they have become. They are both reduced to acting like buffoons to stay in the public eye (in poker terms anyway). They keep talking about how poker needs "characters" and "personalities" but they are neither. They are just mouthy *****. Both achieved the considerable feat of making me feel some sympathy for Hellmuth who actually handled it reasonably well.
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06-10-2010 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonified
Negreanu and Tony G should have a good look at what they have become. They are both reduced to acting like buffoons to stay in the public eye (in poker terms anyway). They keep talking about how poker needs "characters" and "personalities" but they are neither. They are just mouthy *****. Both achieved the considerable feat of making me feel some sympathy for Hellmuth who actually handled it reasonably well.
I just don't understand this.
When is Negreanu a "mouthy pussy" to anyone who doesn't deserve it? (Hellmuth, Hamilton, UB/AP, Men Nguyen)? He echoes the opinions, perspectives and words of 90% of the people in this forum... I'm all for that.

Have we completely forgotten how often Hellmuth berates and embarrasses innocent players at the table on a consistent basis in front of a national television audience? He, and everyone, should understand that brutally harsh needling is a consequence and tradeoff to being a complete prick.
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06-10-2010 , 12:09 PM
First of all, Tony G has always been and always will be like that, infact I've seen much, much worse from him.

Secondly, Negreanu really didn't do anything wrong. PH acted like a dip**** all his life and ALWAYS whines when he loses. Well, guess what? When people don't stop whining about losing, people will love to see you lose more and more. It has always been and always will be the case. If Brunson loses that pot, everyone would be on their seat just saying "wow" and "that is sick". The reason they jumped in the air celebrating is because PH lost, and he deserves to be laughed at none stop.

I will be playing several WSOP events this year, and if PH is ever at any of my tables, I will laugh at him EVERY SINGLE TIME he loses a pot, no mercy, and I will not feel bad at all. He is a professional poker player and he acts like a complete baby when he loses. Until he learns to act like a mature person and be respectful to others, I really don't see any reason for anyone else to do the same to him.

I realise that he is trying to change his image, and he has improved as he didnt go crazy in that video, but it will take time before he changes for the best and even more time for him to finally get respect from others.
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06-10-2010 , 12:13 PM
Can't believe I'm defending Hellmuth in NVG . Nonetheless, if you think someone's a douche, being a douche back to them isn't the way to handle the situation and it doesn't reflect well on you. Is Negreanu simply "standing up for the little guy" here ? Or is he thoroughly enjoying himself ? Watch it and decide for yourself.

I don't mean to be harsh to the two posters above here. I think that two years ago I would have agreed with you 100%. But I've matured a little bit since then and even if someone does deserve to get some of their own medicine, it's still better to just set a good example and behave well yourself. IMO. Doyle is your role model in this clip, 100%.
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06-10-2010 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonified
Can't believe I'm defending Hellmuth in NVG . Nonetheless, if you think someone's a douche, being a douche back to them isn't the way to handle the situation and it doesn't reflect well on you. Is Negreanu simply "standing up for the little guy" here ? Or is he thoroughly enjoying himself ? Watch it and decide for yourself.
Yeah, if you're a hippy.
Some people have certain things coming to them. If I act like a condescending tool and someone puts a crushing beat on me...I'd expect them to point, laugh, and take it to the bank.

Also, I think it's debatable whether it reflects well on them. I actually have a high appreciation for Tony, Laak, Negreanu making Hellmuth feel like crap. Now he knows, to a minute degree, how he makes amateurs feel in tourneys every time he goes off on his degrading rants. It's pleasurable to watch a big mouth have to eat ****.

Just my opinion.
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06-10-2010 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ante DiDi
that was 2 years ago. & since then he's been pretty mature about bad beats.
Bay 101, this year?
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06-10-2010 , 12:23 PM
lol at all the well phil is a ******* for doing it so its ok to do it. i love seeing phil play bad and get ribbed for it like anyone else but this is waaay out of line. that was a huuuuge suckout for aloooot of money/equity and it was really gross and you could tell phil was hurt. i get its tv and negreanu is a media whore but comeon thats a really bad example from someone who is suppose to be a symbol of class and respect.

its pretty bad when you can say phil wouldn't have been that bad.

also lol at slowroll it obviously wasn't a slowroll.
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06-10-2010 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky
meh.
PH shouldn't call people "idiots", "morons" and consistently insult other players' intelligence at the table and not be able to handle maximum **** in return.

like he is one to talk about "class"...what a joke.
There's a big difference between "insulting" someone who just won and someone who just lost. Someone is lying on the ground, how low do you have to be to kick him?
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06-10-2010 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
Bay 101, this year?
He didn't insult the guy, he kneeled down after the beat. Not sure how anyone can hate on someone for feeling like **** after losing.
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06-10-2010 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by leolauzon
He didn't insult the guy, he kneeled down after the beat. Not sure how anyone can hate on someone for feeling like **** after losing.
I wouldn't call it acting maturely, which was how his behaviour over the last two years was described. In fact, I'd call it acting like a five year old that can't take losing, from a man that has played the game long enough to know better.
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06-10-2010 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jinzerd
lol at all the well phil is a ******* for doing it so its ok to do it. i love seeing phil play bad and get ribbed for it like anyone else but this is waaay out of line. that was a huuuuge suckout for aloooot of money/equity and it was really gross and you could tell phil was hurt. i get its tv and negreanu is a media whore but comeon thats a really bad example from someone who is suppose to be a symbol of class and respect.

its pretty bad when you can say phil wouldn't have been that bad.

also lol at slowroll it obviously wasn't a slowroll.
That's exactly our point. PH was hurt? WOW! So what?
If you are a poker player, you play for the long term. The results of one current hand is COMPLETELY irrelevant in a cash game. So what if he lost 75% of the pot? If he ran it once and lost, he would have lost it all. That's what odds are for, no matter how good you are, if you arent 100%, you WILL lose it sometimes.

Any real poker pro plays with a bankroll. If PH has the correct bankroll for that game (we all know he does), then he shouldnt care about the beat at all.

ALL HE DID WAS LOSE 3/4 OF A BUY-IN.
Players online go on downswings of losing over 30-buy-ins and dont even whine, he's crying because he lost 3/4 of a deepstack buy-in? Who gives a crap man, get over it FFS.
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06-10-2010 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteIEG;
A+++
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06-10-2010 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by leolauzon
There's a big difference between "insulting" someone who just won and someone who just lost. Someone is lying on the ground, how low do you have to be to kick him?

if that "someone" is a condescending big mouth who is insulting my intelligence and abilities on national television... I'd have no problem kicking him while he's on the ground (or doing it on behalf of someone else). Phil should expect to be treated as a reflection of his treatment of others.
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06-10-2010 , 12:49 PM
Phil Hellmuth: Show some class!

LOL!
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06-10-2010 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
I wouldn't call it acting maturely, which was how his behaviour over the last two years was described. In fact, I'd call it acting like a five year old that can't take losing, from a man that has played the game long enough to know better.
So a professional basketball player who cries after losing the championship is also acting immature? You care about something, you lose, your body reacts. He said that his body "stopped responding" and he had trouble breathing. Obviously the guy cares a lot about winning and takes it personal. I don't agree with insulting other players, but if his body is affected by losing, than that's his own business.
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06-10-2010 , 01:04 PM
For those that want to watch the hand with commentary from Chris Rose and Joe Stapleton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-42MI-l9vA
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06-10-2010 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Tw33Ty
That's exactly our point. PH was hurt? WOW! So what?
If you are a poker player, you play for the long term. The results of one current hand is COMPLETELY irrelevant in a cash game. So what if he lost 75% of the pot? If he ran it once and lost, he would have lost it all. That's what odds are for, no matter how good you are, if you arent 100%, you WILL lose it sometimes.

Any real poker pro plays with a bankroll. If PH has the correct bankroll for that game (we all know he does), then he shouldnt care about the beat at all.

ALL HE DID WAS LOSE 3/4 OF A BUY-IN.
Players online go on downswings of losing over 30-buy-ins and dont even whine, he's crying because he lost 3/4 of a deepstack buy-in? Who gives a crap man, get over it FFS.
Did you watch the video? He took the lost very well, so you don't have a point.
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06-10-2010 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tw33Ty
That's exactly our point. PH was hurt? WOW! So what?
If you are a poker player, you play for the long term. The results of one current hand is COMPLETELY irrelevant in a cash game. So what if he lost 75% of the pot? If he ran it once and lost, he would have lost it all. That's what odds are for, no matter how good you are, if you arent 100%, you WILL lose it sometimes.

Any real poker pro plays with a bankroll. If PH has the correct bankroll for that game (we all know he does), then he shouldnt care about the beat at all.

ALL HE DID WAS LOSE 3/4 OF A BUY-IN.
Players online go on downswings of losing over 30-buy-ins and dont even whine, he's crying because he lost 3/4 of a deepstack buy-in? Who gives a crap man, get over it FFS.
great useless post yea im sure if you lose that exact hand for big stakes its no biggy. gtfo everyone is going to hurt after that hand. and then everyone jumping on you like in the clip you just shrug it off and reload right? yea all he did was lose 3/4th of a $100,000.00 buyin where he was 90% to win it all zzzzz comeon. if you reaaaally hate hellmuth and like watching people suffer thats ok but dont try to play it off as phil being a pussy.
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06-10-2010 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by gutshothunter
negreanu is just ******ed
^^+++++
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06-10-2010 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by leolauzon
So a professional basketball player who cries after losing the championship is also acting immature? You care about something, you lose, your body reacts. He said that his body "stopped responding" and he had trouble breathing. Obviously the guy cares a lot about winning and takes it personal. I don't agree with insulting other players, but if his body is affected by losing, than that's his own business.
also, directly after he lost, he did act maturely in shaking people's hands as he got up from the table.

Big deal, he laid down on the floor. How does that even compare with other people high-fiving you losing $50,000 on a hand you should have won $100k?

& while the fish is totally freerolling, (& prob Daniel, too), I sincerely doubt Helmuth is.
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