Apologies, 100% accurate

Perhaps Stars should set a maximum price tag after all if the external software is only useful in the environment they provide (online poker room), but Im sure they could pull off a better fix than that

Saying otherwise is the same as saying printer manufacturers shouldnt have a call on how printer cartridges are priced (Assuming printer producers wont make cartridges)

I guess brick & mortar is the only future of poker. History has come full circle.

Don't think so, because due to online poker the game will be almost solved in the future, or at least with very small edges, so it's neither online or live. Poker might not last much longer and I gotta say everyone is kinda deserving whats coming. Sites have been dishonest and players have been no better

Solved doesn't mean easy to learn. Learning true GTO would take thousands hours. Online poker is in jeopardy because of bots. Live poker is safe unless someone finds a way to play 24 tables at live casino, and replace brain with computer

Thanks for the link, not at all suprised its already happening.

Particularly true with tournaments, every hand is a unique snowflake because the combination of stack sizes, ICM factors and so on is never repeated, so you would need to be able to calculate GTO moves in real time - which may one day be possible online but will never affect live tournaments.

Also, it makes more sense to play exploitatively in tournaments against bad live players than to play straight GTO.

So if this software realy exists then there is no reason to start or continue playing HU HT?

Or spins for that matter witch is pokerstars cashcow atm.

Is there any time that you won't try and out your pathetic "cartels are bad" agenda into a post.
It's ****ing pathetic.

+1
Otherwise there will always be some guy who finds the grey on the rule.
Only a matter of time this or a better program will spread to all games

So she was in the $60s but not one of the better players. Took a break for 2-3 months where she had access to 1 of the best players in the game and then became a winning player at the $200s.

Doesn't feel like it's software telling her how to click buttons or else she wouldn't have had to take months out of the game.

Btw, I think the preflop software should be banned but let's not get too carried away with its impact.

I mean, that's a very optimistic interpretation. Alternatively, she was - in your own words "not one of the better players in the $60s". Took a few months off, aquired access to the "perfectly fair" software and insta-crush $200s cartel...

Reading all of this makes me glad I'm a rec player, these cheating/software threads seem endless

Notecaddy and notecaddynxt already go too far imo. Ban them all.

Yeah. And this is not good for online poker that recs read about this.
My guess is that recs even more than regs do not want to play vs "bots".

Imo pokerstars need to find a solution to this problem asap, or this will be in every newspaper and that will scare away recs from playing online.

Its just bad for online poker even if skiers "program" is legit or not.

Solve this problem NOW pokerstars.

Come out with a CLEAR statement what is allowed and what is not.

Wow, Stars, is this true???

sub

"
Dear Pokerstars Support,


In the following I am referring to the following PS-approved piece of poker software:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...tware-1533249/
http://www.husng.com/content/controv...yer-aid-husngs

I have read with interest that you now allow software that effectively uses all information available at the table to make optimal GTO and exploitative decisions on the fly. While, I am sad that this will likely lead to the death of online poker, I am invigorated about the possibilities of making a decent short-term profit, and I would therefore like you to advice me on what exactly makes this program legal and other programs illegal, such as Cardrunners EV or fully automated bots for that matter. Could it be, that no calculations are made but that the program uses the available information to look up a solution in a massive database, or is that the "bot" requires human typing with all the difficulties that this task involves? I hope that you can provide a full and detailed answer as this will provide the needed information, so that the rest of the community can also hire a programmer and a statistician to legally milk online poker until its untimely death.

Thank you,
Michael
"

Ok, how about this analogy.

If we were playing PacMan and not Poker.
Does this software basically highlight the path for me to take to collect all the pebbles and avoid the enemy players based on their movement history.
The highlight path changes based on enemy players position on map or basically game state in time.

I just woke up.

Now that pokerstars allows bots. Does anyone know if stars has an
api for the software? If so can anyone please direct me to the document page.

If they don't, do you think they will be introducing one soon?

husng is already a joke with cartels owning the lobby and everyone using sharkystrator. Bots was just the next logical step so not sure why everyone is acting so outraged.

Open question to Stars about real-time adviser apps

(I just noticed the irony of the final poster in that thread being Slim Pickens lol )

Anyway, after months of deliberation the T&Cs were finally updated to cover this case:

- Third Party Tools and Services FAQ

If Stars have decided to revert their stance towards tools like this, then it only seems fair that they make it clear and remove that clause from their T&Cs...

Juk

This may be unrelated but the $10.50 HU Super knockout fields are up by 25% today.

One other thing to note is: if Stars have actually done a U-turn on their previous decision to not allow tools like this then, so long as you can gain access to the strategy used in this new tool (ie: the pseudo-GTO solution is stored locally rather than on servers, etc), you may well be able to create another tool to utterly destroy those currently using it (ie: by maximally exploiting any flaws in the abstraction used to create the pseudo-GTO solution...).

Juk

It makes me wonder why stars hasn't posted an official response ITT saying that they are taking another look at the matter or they stay behind their decision. Any official replay, even something along the lines of "we need more time", would be greatly appreciated by the community I would imagine.

It's not going well for stars so far (considering most of us are of the opinion that they are the wrong party on the matter, not skier_5) and the least they could do is come out with a more clear response of what's exactly allowed/disallowed as live aid software.

There is obviously a thin line between what can and cannot be used as for instance software like sngwiz and ICMIzer are not allowed during play. But imagine you have everything pre-computed (not in real time) and have every single chart printed in front of you. A lot of us are already doing this (granted not having 958205 charts, but something along the lines of 2 to 6-7 charts) and I think this is widely accepted as being OK. Now imagine if we instead of having the charts printed out, we have them on the PC in excel format . This is also considered acceptable in my opinion. There is nothing hard to imagine that the next step would be something even more practical like having 258592 pre-computed charts and a software that one way or another can show you super fast the chart you need. Fastest way would be of course to just read the game state (our hand,position, effective stack size and community cards). So if charts are "acceptable", this should be also acceptable, it's just a fast lookup in charts that we already can use.

Anyway, stars need to clear a lot of things and whatever they decide it should have a huge impact on online poker.