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08-03-2014 , 07:59 AM
Am I the only one who hates that pokerscout does this? I go to pokerscout click on a link im intrested in reading about , only to find out it's a link to pokerfuse which is a subscription site.
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08-03-2014 , 09:20 AM
This is a sure fire way for me to not go to their site for anything, ever.

There is an advertiser on Facebook called modern design. If you click their ad you must enter your email address to look at their site. Really? Just what I want, more junk mail. They have guaranteed that I will never buy anything from them, where as had that not required my email I might have.
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08-03-2014 , 09:22 AM
Shocking news: Some internet sites are trying to make money.
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08-03-2014 , 09:57 AM
If you go to http://www.pokerscout.com/News.aspx, things marked "pokerfuse PRO" are paywall, just "pokerfuse" are free to read.

On pokerfuse.com, all the main stories down the left are free to read, only the stuff in the PRO column is paywall (though we could do a better job of making this clearer on other parts of the site)
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08-03-2014 , 10:07 AM
It looks reasonable to me.

"After all – we are not Communists." ―Emilio Barzini
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08-03-2014 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdywax
This is a sure fire way for me to not go to their site for anything, ever.
+1

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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Shocking news: Some internet sites are trying to make money by wasting our time.
...

Juk
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08-03-2014 , 01:07 PM
lol at paying for news
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08-06-2014 , 11:40 PM
The only question that really needs to be asked is why are you looking at pokerscout. the site steals news bits from everywhere else and their data is, at best, incorrect. Actually, based on his public comments about how his numbers are protected under copyright, they would have to be made up by him.

Seriously, get your news from a reliable source. Going to pokerscout for anything would be the equivalent of trust the enquirer.
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08-09-2014 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by farf
Seriously, get your news from a reliable source. Going to pokerscout for anything would be the equivalent of trust the enquirer.
Pokerscouts' news links just provides links to other poker news stories/ sites, they don't do any reporting of the news themselves. So it's not like getting these news stories somewhere else will be any more reliable.
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08-09-2014 , 11:25 PM
My bad on the confusion. His news is not his own, just collected from elsewhere but if you are going to use a news collection source for information there are better ones. His reliability has more to do with the actual statistics he reports on. And, as the OP said, if he is linking to articles that are behind a paywall, wouldn't that be doing the exact opposite as to what he was fighting with Bodog about regarding publishing the sites player numbers?
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08-10-2014 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by farf
if you are going to use a news collection source for information there are better ones.
I'm all ears, can you name some better daily aggregators for online poker industry news?
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08-10-2014 , 02:10 AM
All ears also... id def like to stop going to pokerscout.com if possible
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08-10-2014 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Hood
I'm all ears, can you name some better daily aggregators for online poker industry news?
Personally, I use taptu.com for aggregating RSS feeds. (Other RSS aggregators are available).
On my Taptu page, I have Pokerlistings, Pokernews, Pokerfuse, Pokerstrategy, Pokerstars Blog, PartyPoker Blog, 2+2 magazine, and a bunch of players' personal blogs, and some podcasts too.
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08-10-2014 , 09:59 AM
Oh of course, you can subscribe to RSS feeds. PokerScout is human-curated aggregation. Farf saying there's better, i'm calling him out on it because he's talking nonsense.

Last edited by Hood; 08-10-2014 at 10:05 AM.
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08-10-2014 , 10:47 AM
As the editor of pokerfuse PRO, I'll add that subscribers aren't paying for "news".

The service is directed at the poker industry, rather than players, although players with a deeper interest in the industry do subscribe.

The overwhelming proportion of what is published on pokerfuse PRO is exclusive content. When we publish an article on news which has been reported elsewhere, we add analysis or put it in the context of industry trends so that its significance is understood. Much of what is published is data driven, rather than event driven.

We also aggregate all the news which involves or affects the industry; so all pokerfuse articles can be read directly on PRO, and if pokerfuse hasn't covered the story, then there is a direct link from the home page to the external site which is covering it.

In this way we cover subjects not normally considered to be poker news, such as corporate results, problem gambling research, developments in technology and social gaming and wider gambling issues that may become "news" in the future.

The idea is that a subscription to pokerfuse PRO pays for itself in the time saved in keeping up to speed with what subscribers need to know for their work.

An rss feed is a great way to get all the information, but add enough sites (at least 100) to get comprehensive coverage, and it becomes a major task to filter what's important. That's something we do, so our subscribers don't have to--and we cover foreign language sites too, everything from Russian and Finnish, to Greek and Spanish sites in South America.

pokerfuse is the site which should be of most interest to players--it's one place you can go for news that you can trust.

... and for light relief, f5poker is awesome!
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08-10-2014 , 11:03 AM
Have you guys seen the "review" section of Pokerscout? Apparently every site is rigged and has house players
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08-10-2014 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Any2Suited
Have you guys seen the "review" section of Pokerscout? Apparently every site is rigged and has house players
Funny read.
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08-11-2014 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Any2Suited
Have you guys seen the "review" section of Pokerscout? Apparently every site is rigged and has house players
If you look at the style of writing then it appears to be one very bored rigtard who's wrote 95%+ of those reviews...

Juk
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08-11-2014 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by farf
Actually, based on his public comments about how his numbers are protected under copyright, they would have to be made up by him..
He's not referring to the numbers as his copyright but the fact that he counts the numbers and stores the results.
He is trying to protect the system that he has put in place to read the data from the various poker clients and keep historical data of this info.
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08-11-2014 , 11:33 PM
This thread should've just been a feedback email to pokerscout (and an exchange to explain what it is that pokerscout actually does so that you understood it).
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08-12-2014 , 10:43 AM
Hey Hood, I think it's great that you are calling me out after receiving a response from another poster; however, just like you are too lazy to actually take 5 minutes to search for other sites that human-curate the news, I do not have the time to pull up my old records. That said, I did work for a very comprehensive poker news site for over 8 years and I can tell you without reservation that 1. PokerScout, of all the news and news collation sites, is by a long margin, not the best nor do they post their RSS-fed news the quickest. 2. Their cash game statistics are, at best highly inaccurate. 3. Although I have never met the owner, Dan Stewart, so I cannot verify this in anyway and if pressed for details I will not be willing to give them, so yes this is all hearsay, from the stories I have heard from MANY different sources, he is, in one word, a total d0uch3 (the most commonly used word I have heard to describe him).
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08-12-2014 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JBables
He's not referring to the numbers as his copyright but the fact that he counts the numbers and stores the results.
He is trying to protect the system that he has put in place to read the data from the various poker clients and keep historical data of this info.
You would be referring to the numbers that he scrapes from proprietary software (the poker clients) in violation of their EULA? PokerScout is at times a useful service but pretending that he has any sort of enforceable copyright is laughable.
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08-12-2014 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by haley44
You would be referring to the numbers that he scrapes from proprietary software (the poker clients) in violation of their EULA? PokerScout is at times a useful service but pretending that he has any sort of enforceable copyright is laughable.
The top 16 sites all have 8's beside their names, this means that the sites are helping him to provide the numbers.
If he is breaking any EULAs the sites can stop him, Bodog did it a few years ago.

I'm not saying that he has or has not copyright or right to claim so, all I'm saying that if he is trying to protect anything it's is the method for retrieving the numbers and the historical data of the numbers.
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08-13-2014 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by farf
Hey Hood, I think it's great that you are calling me out after receiving a response from another poster; however, just like you are too lazy to actually take 5 minutes to search for other sites that human-curate the news, I do not have the time to pull up my old records. That said, I did work for a very comprehensive poker news site for over 8 years and I can tell you without reservation that 1. PokerScout, of all the news and news collation sites, is by a long margin, not the best nor do they post their RSS-fed news the quickest. 2. Their cash game statistics are, at best highly inaccurate. 3. Although I have never met the owner, Dan Stewart, so I cannot verify this in anyway and if pressed for details I will not be willing to give them, so yes this is all hearsay, from the stories I have heard from MANY different sources, he is, in one word, a total d0uch3 (the most commonly used word I have heard to describe him).
Im def done with pokerscout after reading this.
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08-13-2014 , 02:32 AM
Yeah the issue is none of it is true and farf still talking nonsense.

I wasn't going to reply and continue feeding a troll but suffice to say, i have in fact met Dan on numerous occasions, have met many who have met him, and he's a totally stand up guy and i've never heard a bad word spoken about him.

It's not hard to meet him. He was at IGNA this year. On a panel. Chatted with all delegates. Did a great job and is an asset to the industry.

I have no idea who this anonymous 8 year veteran of online poker journalism is (guess some disgruntled CA or G911 writer), but nothing he has said in the thread is true.

Oh and for statistics so inaccurate, its weird how many financial investors statements quote him and use his data.

Last edited by Hood; 08-13-2014 at 02:37 AM.
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