Couldn't say but Its a thing why risk your money your horse could get banned and lose money for saying things. or say things about your stable you dont want leak. knowing people are in stables is not good for the game



look its everynight this is right now. They sit these sng lobbys that never go off. Who would reg a 2$ (1 big blind for them) 8bb sng with 10 other regs? No one would but they do it because the website tells them too. They do not make human decisions they do what wsop.ca says. I have motive of wsop saying they are interested in game starters for these games when I was trying to negotiate some sort of affiliate deal.

Now wsop.ca says they dont do affiliate deals. Because clearly they found a group of people to do their bidding. I think this is enough evidence. Now do we do anything about it?

Lets put this screenshot in perspective for people outside of Ontario

player 1 planethack 7 tabling nl100
player 2 snops owl 5 tabling nl200 7tabling nl100
player 3 doncryingfish 5 tabling nl200 7vpip 6 tablingnl100
player 4 GGmasterkk 9 tabling nl200
player 5 T_H_E 8 tabling nl200
player 6 p@int 8 tabling nl100
player7 su@takemymoney 9 tabling nl100 7vpip (lol)

People dont 9 table nl200 with 2k+ at the tables and register a 2$ hyper sng.... its not a thing. These guys are not making normal human decisions they are making collective decisions.

8 guys playing for thousands of dollars are collectively trying to start a 2$ sng hyper..... theres only one logical conclusion you can reach.

So now we know they have prop players whats the problem? well these guys make up 70% of the volumn on the site between 8-4am....

oh wow they play so tight i thought it was like 70 year olds playing after work or something. But yeah prop players makes sense, maybe they all from china or something thats why they cant talk

True but not chatting is also not good for the game. From my POV it's like you're representing a company so you just don't want to talk about the company (in this case stable) or say too much stupid ****. Seems better than not chatting completely but I guess some people just can't help talking about forbidden topics.

Could be wrong, but pretty sure bans cause of chat are just chat bans, and most of which are temporary. I'd imagine you'd have to say something really outrageous to actually be banned from the site.

MoViN.tArGeT,

First, don't refer them as WSOP anymore, since now it's back to GGpoker. Second, I'm glad you shared this with some within the Ontario community, and you've paid more attention to notice it than most, because this clearly is affecting you in a negative way, because it's "them" who're being "propped", and not you, from your past history of trying to get into the affiliate business for better RB/promos. The prop world has been around for years, which is why I'm not surprised its still happening.

It's good for everyone when/if there are some prop players, because the purpose of a prop player is to maintain some traffic on what is a starting/new provider (off peak hours) that's offering its service, like what happened with Ontario after we got fenced from the rest of the world. In the end through time each provider based on their decisions will ultimately lure the majority of the players/traffic, because that's the primary goal, but it's not just luring them that matters, but keeping/retaining it.

It's good that we have competition, but too much competition can also be harmful, because sooner or later one or two out of these four providers (888, GGpoker, party, stars) will throw the towel, and give up. Partypoker is a great example, and since early 2000 it was the most popular online poker provider, but despite that and its great success/popularity the many poor choices/decisions through the decade, it's why they were bleeding traffic and those like pokerstars and later GGpoker have benefited significantly.

Us the players are the "cash cow", but it's not our job (we don't get paid) how to run a successful company. We only decide which company/poker provider is best for us to do business with. Many bad/losing players will come here and say bad/negative things about some of these providers, especially if they aren't making the profits they hoped, while getting into poker. What I can share with the Ontario poker community is not to get bullied too soon into quitting/retiring from online poker.

Sometimes you'll be a losing or a break even player, and that can last for months or years. The money you're losing and time you're investing it's like paying for a tuition/scholarship. My competitive nature and strong interest for video games it's how I end up with online poker. It's not just what I do to earn money, but how much I enjoy doing it. I've often experienced downswings that made me question what else am I going to do if I won't make it with online poker.

hum... wow these are useless posts.

First yes prop players are a thing. so is rta and bots. If we knew they were using rta and bots would we play there? I have a feeling prop players are illegal in Ontario casinos can anyone confirm or denie this? Because then we would have a great case for the iggaming commission to stop allowing this. either way prop players are not "fair play" and should be against ontarios regulations. Its also way different propping online when you can play 18 tables then 1 table live.

This aint acr or bodog bros were actually paying some taxes and have a few rights believe it or not. Stop lying over and dying like poster above me

interesting timing. Im sure I am guilty at some point for the claimed offense but never been chat banned in a year anyone else ever get this?
I had stacked a fish where he punted hard so the next hand he opened so I 100x shoved ako for the luls and he called with 55 and stacked me. I said something after he said something like lul wish you had aq and instantly got chat banned I was not berating just trying to keep him playing by engaging and thats what came to mind.

Full disclosure tho earlier I did post a link to this thread on a 6 reg table and I expected to get chat banned after I stupidly did it lol. But thats not the reason they listed.

We ain't a liar we coulda angled this to convince newbs

at the very least looks like i was being monitored to get snap banned for saying aq. which ahhh could be because I posted a link lol.

Oh I just reread it. it says for hands in play. Ya I have never once discussed a hand while it was ongoing. bullshit

I got one too for "foul language" also a 7 day ban,

i almost never chat and im pretty sure it was 4-5 days ago i called someone a ****** lol

Thinking about it more yeah this is shady AF. If they are all part of a prop ring first of all its only a small step to start sharing cards and collude.

If they rly get 100% rb then they are also taking leaderboard spots away from legit players, which is maybe what gg wants

I am looking to connect with players who love to play poker and who would motivate me to take my game to the professional level. I want to become a professional player but I consistently lack the motivation. I cannot PM users on a new account. I noticed there was a discord link earlier in the thread but it had expired; is there a new link? I study 100bb NLHE cash games specifically but also have experience <=100bb PLO cash and am willing to learn any format. I play on GG ontario but don't think the stakes I play are tracked. My username on ACR is fishin4tuition. Thanks in advance!

https://discord.gg/YBH2Aehz

https://discord.gg/mRcgkxza

couple of discords

Hello

Is the new stars sit n go heist challenge any good?
Anyone done the math on it.

thanks

Know it's summer, so some game quality deterioration is to be expected, but I think now might be a good time to implement the pokerstars.com cash game policy of four (4) tables maximum, perhaps even province-wide.

Likely the best way to ensure to ecosystem remains healthy-ish into the short- and medium-term future.

Hi everyone, just wanted to connect about players thoughts on how much traffic decrease and game difficulty increase have occurred in the last five months.
Personally mostly 200nl . Last fall sun to thur 6-8 games between 1900-0200 and 3-4 Recs and 1 other reg.
Now 3-4 games and Ave 2 recs .
Seen win rate drop from 9bb/100 over 140000 sample last year to 5bb/100 over 180000 hands this year .
Are other players Seeing the same?

I play plo 200/500 mostly, on wsop.ca. As far as I can tell the games are more or less the same as they have been since I started playing in December. Pretty loose, most of the same regs with the usual recs rotating in and out.

Traffic is never all that busy but can get 3/4 tables going at plo 500 often. More at 200.

Winrates in those samples are close to useless just as a heads up

Comparing sites. Rake and rake back .

Gg appears a rake trap reminds me of Vegas strip promos full of old men trying to get hours for promo money. Seems winning players get next to no rakeback.

What is the actual rake back on Ontario stars ? Hard to figure out. Is there a way to convert the value of paid back rewards to real rake paid?

On bwin the site I play on players are shared with BetMGM party and bwin.
Seems strange my boost is only ever 5% when is signed up was 70% that last a month.

What boosts size do other players get on bwin or party ?

The rake/rakeback is fine everywhere just most of the sites are not thinking longterm and using old 2012 type poker deals/systems that made online poker suck originally which eventually led to the 4 table limit as posted above. I dont see the sites doing a 4 table limit because they might see it as putting themselves at a disadvantage. limiting to 4 would def be better for the games and most people would just play 4 on wsop. 4 on stars and 4 on party anyway.

Ya GG is kinda bad for casuals but its still the best for pros with its supernova elite type program

GG rakeback in Ontario doesn't change based on if you're a winner or not. It does on the international client.

Is that proven ?

Yes.

What are your thoughts on running a stable in small field sngs?

nothing ethically wrong with stables. a stable with a side affiliate 100% rb deal to game start minus ev games and only play at certain times? certainly. Would I take that deal? Probably but they are all forced to play during the same timeslot. I bet alot of them would make more money if they left said stable (with the skills they have learned along the way). Its better if we are all on the same playing field if we allow uneven playing fields of course people will take it who wouldn't if you knew other people are getting away with it. pm me guys seems no ones gonna do anything about it im in

I see them often playing 6 handed among themselves instead of playing the giga whale with 95 vpip 1 stake up. being a prop player has its downsides too

So to summarize your thoughts

-Prop players are ethically wrong
-Prop players create an unfair advantage
-Prop players are "Illegal in Ontario"
-Would "Probably" be a prop player given the opportunity

a stable playing all at the same time in sm field mtts/sng's is waaaay ****in' worse than cash game props