However this is being naive. Luck is an important part of the game. Sure, over 9999999999x99999999 hands it evens out, but running good in certain spots, situations etc can make or break a player.

ROFLMMFAO

Ok. OP is just f**king with us now. But, just in case you're not! There's a cash game at my house on Thursdays every week. Please come show me how your mastery of fundamental poker skills and one year of experience give you just as much of a chance of getting the money as I have. Please.

lol.


elements of luck do not mean its all luck.

elements of skill do not mean its all skill.

but skill creates positions where you can exploit luck.

if you have 9 guys with equal skill (exactly equal) then it is luck that will be the x factor, but that never happens really.

op u should try to play some headsup ,clearly the form with the most skill involved

grunching

No.

As a high stakes player, I am going to say no. The funamental skills can get very complex and are very hard to learn as you move up in limits.

And I for one am extremely big on fundamentals and poker theory and think that it is the foundation to success all the way to the nosebleeds.

I have not read any post or even the OP, I have just read the title.

Pick ANY game.

Pick two players who have the exact same skill level.

Each wins 50% of the time, thus the outcome of the game between EXACTLY similar players is determined ENTIRELY by luck.

It follows that, as the skill differential between the particular players that happen to be playing a game gets smaller, the outcome of that game will be determined more and more by luck.

Easy, if he's up against a highly skilled player who has identified his hand range and ABC strategy and made the necessary adjustments.

That's the beauty of poker. There are winning players that fit every conceivable category - some of the time. For the consumate pro, there is a time for every season under heaven and all that - the very best players identify the way their opponents are playing, and they adjust and counter by adopting any style of play across the spectrum from nut-peddler to lagtard / outright maniac depending on what the circumstances dictate.

The object in poker is to make the right decisions over and over again - and the "right" decision over 1,000,000,000 or more hands is something that requires an amazing array of abilities - Recognition, adaptability, endurance, patience and fortitude in the face of "bad luck", emotional stability, the ability to trust your intuition and "gut" etc. etc. etc. - The same skills that make you successful in the long run at anything. Poker is life.

Anyone who's ready to write it off as simple and simply "luck" after a year or two or even 10, is simply reveling the soft white underbelly of their own lack of understanding - nothing else.

Please begin this endless list from where he left off. With the basics mastered and competence at avoiding/exploiting the above situations is achieved, what can a player study to significantly increase his win rate?
If you're able to use all the tools, keep abreast of the latest strategies and ideas, are winning 5k per 100,000 hands 4 tabling within BR, taking occasional shots but you're only finding a very slight improvement over time what (lets just do one) would likely increase the profit to 15k, within 500,000 hands?
I with OP on this one. Ye keep saying everyone's solid, so realise that there will be a time when this thread will meet with a resounding consensus. I think it is fast approaching. When the % of solid tag nanonokos reaches a certain level, then with rake taken into account, the statement "Is poker a game mostly on luck once you mastered the fundamental skills" will be true. What percentage is that? What percentage is it at now? How fast is it rising?

fold (UTG-SB) Check/fold (BB), Check/fold every street. If live, fold face up in HU pots.

She's dominating the Euros, mainly Betfair 10/20, building BR to gonna crush FT and Stars

Seriously...WTF is luck.
Hitting a 2 outer isn't luck Flopping flushes isn't luck. It's just an equation balancing out.

Lol, luck

You're right OP, poker is all luck after a while.

level 1: math
level 2-infinity: meta

Im married and I think poker is all luck also

op tbh from reading your post you have no idea how to play poker sorry =/

listen to spinol1 for sure. imo he's probalby one of the very few posters itt that have played poker for more than cheeseburgers.

Poker ain't a game, yo.

I takes a great player to pass 1 mil three times without falling under it.

OP does not yet realise his cluelessness. I had the same mindset 2.5 years ago when I was playing poker for a year, and boy was I wrong..

fyp

No money in a game mostly on luck, everyone mastered the fundamental skills

Fixed your name.

In the short-term luck plays a role, especially in the very short term, like one session or even one week's worth of sessions. In the long run, SKILL, SKILL, SKILL wins out over luck.

OP - yes it's all luck once we reach a certain level. With 23098234098 players online, eventually a few guys are going to go on heaters and reach the top (Durr case in point).

Other posters berating OP - DTTG.

this is the dumbest thread ive ever opened. OP doesnt have a clue and one day hell prolly figure it out. or he wont.

Well,that just shows you are not better than him.
There is a reason he is playing high stakes and how he got there.
Okay,i understand if some good regular is saying he would play there better than Guy Lalibrete,then somehow can agree with it,because he's fortune didn't came from poker.But Victor Ramdin is a poker player and he grind hes way to those stakes,so i highly doubt you would beat him.