In tangentially related news, I made an e-checks deposit to FTP around Christmastime that still has not come out of my account. I've gotten no e-mail correspondence from FTP about it at all. Assuming that FT support is triple range merging service to low stakes depositors, what are the odds that they'll e-mail me when it actually is going to hit my account? I've stopped following it at this point.

Will they debit my FTP account at some point assuming its balance stays above the deposit amount?

They are trying to withdraw 100 dollars again. WTF is this. Check your accounts quick

Sigh...me too.

Just called my bank..its still pending, cant do anything yet. Had all "future transactions" by them blocked. Have to call bank tomorrow to get rid of this chg.

I hope they can block the pending withdrawl for my account. I never received a refund from either PMI or my bank (my bank is in the process of processing my refund). Still this is rediculous. I now have to close the account and set up another 1 with all my stuff. But i seriously doubt I can trust online poker sites anymore after this....

It was real easy the 1st time...took 24 hrs and it was reversed out. Pretty ingenious by these scumbags though (to use PMI in their "withdrawal" sig). I own a house and immediately thought it had to do with that. A big thanks to the OP for the thread.

Your first refund... was it by your bank or from PMI?

I haven't played on FTP in a month with my last deposit 12/20th but have been disputing charges for $25 with my bank sense 8/07. I first noticed a charge from Western Clear on 8/06/10 bank hasn't been helpful at all after 3weeks of trying to get my back with no possible outcome worth the time and effort I've put in I took it in the ass. Then on 1/28/11 another $25 charge shows up but a different name PMI and this #888-875-8035, So I call on this and and request a stop payment and ask them if they have anymore information on the stop payment I requested on the 8/06 charge, Then the lady told me the these charges are related and I need to call the number to see if its something I approved with some sort of annual payment. I called the number and got machine didn't now what this company was so I called back the bank to continue with the stop payment, I was hoping it was the end of it but woke up this morning to see another pending $25 charge from PMI in my account. ****ing pisses me off.

Mike, Was the amount withdrawn today the same as 1/28? Mine was the same. Both 100 dollars

Bank...they emailed some form for me to sign. Next morning, chg was credited out along with a few pennies interest.

We're in the same boat

I emailed FulltiltPoker after finding this thread and confirmed that these were poker related.
My email to FTP
I recently have been disputing charges in my bank sense 8/06/2010 from Western Clear for $25.00 , Then on 1/28/2011 from PMI for $25.00 , and again on 2/23/2011 from PMI for $25.00. I did some research and see a lot of people in the 2+2 forums have been having the same problem. I want to know why Full tilt poker is charging my Bank account with out my PERMISSION.

Their reply
Hello Xxxxx,

Thank you for contacting us.

We can confirm that Full Tilt Poker did not initiate or authorize the processing of this transaction. For further details on this charge, please contact the processor in question PMI 8888758035

As this charge did not originate from Full Tilt Poker, we also recommend contacting your financial institution should you wish to pursue the matter further.

If there's anything else we can help you with, please let us know. We're always here to help.


Regards,

James
Cashier
Full Tilt Poker

For the first time since this withdrawl, my bank has given me some information. I have school today so I have not been able to check out this information. However my bank said that PMI was National Payment Provider, Ohio and the people I needed to talk to were Jacob Bennet and Scott Dowd. The fact that this company is in the United States is a really good sign (I think). We should be able to go after this company for fraud, since we never authorized these withdrawls. I am not sure since I am not a lawyer, but this is my take.

They took $200 AGAIN from me today. Sonsabitches.

[Adding...]

Called my bank. Getting the paper form to get both $200 withdraws back, and block all future transactions from them.

Sending FTP another nasty, nasty email.

All future transactions blocked.

This, of course, means that they likely can't put any money BACK in my account. I'm also possibly out $400.

I honestly don't understand why this isn't getting more traction -- as this is a pretty big deal for FTP. These are their business partners, and I'm out $400 as a result of having used FTP.

^^^ I"m guessing poker sites are having to use shadier and shadier processors as a result of the DOJ cracking down. Most "legit" processors don't want any part of these types of transactions. Hopefully this mess is just some "technical error" on the part of the processor (seems less likely at this point?) and not the result of a shady processor trying to scam.

Hopefully FTP will investigate and make things right in the end if PMI doesn't. If they don't this is not going to look for them at all.

on the 28th of january i got fiddy taken from me from PMI, today I got another fiddy ... so hood.. still havent disputed the first one cause ive been busy but im about to now ha

Can't be a legit company and it certainly cannot be computer error. Some people have received refunds from PMI directly, while others have not. Also if it was just a computer error, PMI would have refunded everybody on the same day, rather than different people receiving refunds on different days. This company is stealing money and hoping you don't notice.

I have a strong feeling this is going to make for good pokercast material...

IMHO, everyone who plays (or played) on FTP should be checking their accounts. We should really keep track of the refunds...
Are there any volunteers to NOT inform pmi of the missing money? It would certainly answer our questions if we could set up a control group. If anyone is missing a frivilious amount, post here and willing to risk it, I'm sure 2p2 wouldn't mind a new mystery to solve.

There are basically two possibilities:
- it was a legit error, and the different timing of repayments are the result of extraordinary volume...which is believeable.
- pmi is stealing money and refunding you if you notice.

Pretend not to notice and track the results. Hopefully we can get 10+ people to volunteer.

Ps: terrible timing...
Let Sorel back and this in the same month...
Not looking great FTP.

I am part of the control group. PMI has no idea that I noticed. I have not gone through PMI only through my bank. (I have not received a refund from either, but that has nothing to do with my bank). I have now been charged another 100 dollars, making it 2 100 dollar charges. 1 on 1/28 and one today 2/23.

Awesome. Is there a way to track if your bank refunds you or if pmi does?
Unfortunately, if your bank beats them to the punch, it doesn't prove anything. But it would aid speculation...
We need someone (preferably several) willing to not talk to their bank for another week or so.

I received a $63.00 charge on 1/28/2011, and then another one today. Called them to investigate and they said half their customers received this error due to a computer error and that it would be refunded to me by Friday and if not then I should call them again. Keep you updated

I called my bank to put a stop payment on the 8/06/10 and 1/28/11 have to wait till tomorrow to do it to today's but I couldn't get Western Clear(8/06/10) or PMI(1/28/11 and 2/23/11) to respond I called 888-875-8035 the only number I have to reach them.

I just had a 2nd transaction from PMI submitted. The 1st was on 1/28 as well. I filed a fraud claim with my bank. The rep at US Bank said that my best option would be to close this checking account.

I left a voicemail on PMIs voicemail informing them if my funds are not returned immediately they will be hearing from my attorney. It is clearly evident from this thread that this is a complete scam. Someone is trying to steal money in hopes that the victims will not notice the transactions. Whether it is a rogue employee or the company itself is anyones guess at this point.

Will advis.

Hello Xxxxx,

Thank you for emailing Full Tilt Poker Support.

We can only repeat that Full Tilt Poker is not affiliated with PMI nor did we authorize processing of this transaction. Thus, if you are unable to contact their support to inquire about the transaction we would recommend you to contact your bank.

If there's anything else we can help you with, please let us know. We're always here to help.

Regards,

Yevgeny
Cashier
Full Tilt Poker