For what it's worth (not much to those out $$ but maybe something to those reading this thread and haven't checked thier accounts yet.)

After reading this thread I was really worried that I would have the same problem since I deposited to FTP in August 2010. I've gone through the statements and can't find a false charge. I really hope I haven't overlooked them.

Hoping this gets resolved for those it effects!

I was reimbursed today $150 total. Cool...now I hope they leave me alone! Gl to everyone who is still working on theirs…

Got mine reimbursed today...$150 total. Srry if dupe I keep writing this on my phone and submitting but it keeps bringing me back.

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Terrible Idea. They will not leave you alone and the bank might not catch them going into your account again. Close you account and reopen a new account.

PEOPLE PMI IS CONDUCTING FRAUD. STOP ENABLING THEM. CLOSE YOUR ACCOUNT AND OPEN A NEW 1

Easier said than done, especially for the bulk of the people who are affected by this but do not know it yet. Your average fish will no doubt have a mortgage, credit card payments, and more to worry about. They just can't close it that easily.

This. Benefits<rewards. And I am a fish to some, shark to others . Also, I found the charges, left the bank completely out of it. Obviously if it gets out of hand I would go through the substantial time and effort of closing this bank account and all that's connected to it (would take a lot more than some random charges that were removed by a simple phone call).
I understand that closing the acct is the correct play for the viceroyship's reasons stated, however...*genuflect*

Full Tilt's handling of this situation is disgusting.

"SORRY ITS NOT OUR PROBLEM EVEN THOUGH WE GAVE THEM ALL YOUR INFO AND MAKE HUNDRED OF MILLIONS PER YEAR FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU, TRY CONTACTING YOUR BANK, OR SOMETHING, LOL, PWNED"

for some reason that image instantly reminded me of

Hi,

Sorry for the delay in posting.

I can confirm that Full Tilt has never contracted with, or used a third party processor called PMI.

We never initiated, nor authorized, the processing of any PMI related transactions. We have attempted to contact the PMI +1-888 number to get more information for our legal team, to vigorously defend these allegations and investigate this matter further.

So far, we've been unsuccessful in determining the source of how these transactions were wrongfully processed. We recommend that you contact your bank and dispute all transactions related to PMI 8888758035. As stated, they were never authorized nor processed by any of Full Tilt’s processors.

If we find out any further information related to PMI 8888758035, we will post it in this thread.

Sean

Sean - your response falls some way short of being acceptable. You are almost certainly aware of this. I'm not going to go into the reasons why, because they are blatantly obvious. You are going to have to do a good deal better than that, this is a serious problem and it is clear that somehow PMI have obtained information from people that are customers of Full Tilt. I'd suggest that Full Tilt's efforts to resolve this and communicate on the situation in a better manner than, for example, the Cereus network, starting from now.

Mods - any chance of changing the thread title, as this issue is rather important and people probably need to be aware of?

More discussion @ Internet Poker here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...s-now-1011278/

Mods: Requesting that a new NvG thread be created with a more informative title and OP, or maybe the OP/title from the zoo thread be cross-posted here.

Update:
Its Tuesday, Checked my account today and the money is still missing.

put down less than 20%

What about NATIONAL PAYMENT PROVIDER? My bank told me that PMI was a shell for NATIONAL PAYMENT PROVIDER out of Indiana. Does FT deal with this company?

Rename this thread ffs
"FullTilt Bank Scam"

I created the new thread in NVG that got closed (i understand why so no issues) because the title of this thread 8888758035 is very misleading and does not draw attention to the many 2 + 2 family of visitors that still may not know that their bank accounts are being stolen from as a result of this criminal activity.

I apologize to 2+2 moderators and visitors with my thread in NVG that got closed. The intent was good as I ,and many other 2+2ers want to make sure that everyone in the poker community is aware that they may be unsuspecting having their bank accounts stolen from on a monthly basis... thus why we want if possible the title of the 8888xxxx thread in NVG changed to attract the proper interest to this serious crime that is currently and actively taken place to poker players all over.

Yeah this needs a new more informative title here in NVG for sure. First I heard of this was the locked NVG thread.

Has this been reported on any other sites because this is big news if their is actual evidence that FTP stealing money.

Read through the thread. Highly doubt that FTP Senior level mgmt is stealing money as this involves a payment processor that somehow got a hold of players bank and contact info from FTP. Could be an honest security breach, could be an insider employee or low to middle level mgmt person that got greedy and is in on it, or could be a host of other explanations on what has occurred here.

What is frustrating besides the theft that is still taken place now to many unsuspecting poker players at FTP, is the lack of information being given by FTP mgmt to what really has happened here. I am sure by now that a full blown internal investigation has taken place at FTP. Just be honest and let us know what has happened, how you plan to let your customers know that they are currently being ripped off, how you plan on putting in safe guard security measures to make sure this cannot happen again... and if FTP is still investigating and is not at liberty to share information, then let us (and all other unsuspecting poker players being stolen from) know that you will report info shortly when you can. But dont stay silent and not notify your customers that they are currently being stolen from as we speak.

And yes many are surprised that the main stream poker media is not picking up on this story yet. Lets face it if this was UB, all hell would have broken loose by now.

But the right ethical thing to do is to let ALL of those unsuspecting poker players know that they may be having money stolen from their bank accounts each month AS WE SPEAK.... And then have FTP report what the cause was -and how resolved to prevent from happening again.

I am confidant that the Senior level mgmt people running FTP will step forward and do the right thing on this issue - and QUICKLY so that the crime happening to their unsuspecting players/customers stops today

No need to apologize, thread (probably) needs a title change, rating this thread and all related threads 5 stars is easy to do and will potentially create more relevance to people who'd ignore it.

So do it :P.

Is it possible someone who works at PMI was able to hack into either the "National Processor" or FTP itself to retrieve these bank account # and poker deposits? It's a pretty sweet crime since everyone would blame FTP.

There's at least SOME chance that this was not FTP's fault. Although, in the end, the processors they use and how they protect our information falls into their hands.

Whether it is directly or not directly FTP fault is just one issue - the other issue is that RIGHT NOW, many FTP players that do not visit 2+2 or this thread are having their bank accounts stolen from. They need to be notified by FTP what is going on so that they can stop the theft from continuing each month.

The poker community (or any community) should not sit around and let other poker players get stolen from when we all know that it is happening as we speak today.

Sadly, there is a thread on 2+2 on the Internet Poker Forum atm about this exact same thing, titled "FTP's Rogue Payment Processor PMI is back again! Double-Charged? Check your statements! NOW!"

We need a clean-up, merge and a sticky ASAP as this is a very serious problem.

Hmm lets say I worked at FTP (which I don't). I probably don't make much in wages. But I have an opportunity presented to me by a criminal ring to make a TON of money. So I leak out information to a current or former business partner/processor on how all of this secured player information can get into the wrong hands.

Is this so far fetched. Could this be the reason why FTP is not giving much details as they need to find out exactly who, what and where caused this.

But as all of this investigation and legal mumbo jumbo goes on - unsuspecting non 2 plus 2 poker players/customers are being blindly stolen from in the bank accounts.

Again, if this was UB, all hell would be breaking loose. If this was mainstream business/corporate America, high level mgmt position jobs would be in jeopardy... and this story would be all over front page news.

Shocking how the professional poker community of players states (I am not throwing in 2plus2ers here) it is an ethical close knit group of trustworthy people. Yet not one single poker media outlet is picking up on this story for most likely fear it will hurt poker.... thats right, lets not hurt poker - but perfectly okay for us to allow the stealing of bank account money from other individuals. Theft for the greater good of all of us is allowed, but telling and reporting the truth is not good.

WOW - I am just glad 2plus2 gives a forum to report these issues - just wish other media outlets and others would do the same.