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06-01-2017 , 07:34 PM
wtf is the deal with the scarf

looks horrible
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06-01-2017 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by King~of~Diamonds
"Call" sounds like all-in.
Now "fold" sounds like all-in.
I'm willing to give Christoph the benefit of the doubt, it seemed like in the first one that he was heavily debating shoving and it could be a case of thinking two things at once and saying a merge of the two. "Good fun" for a merge of good luck and have fun for example.

Didn't catch it the second time to be honest but would be surprised if it was an angle
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06-01-2017 , 07:50 PM
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Christoph Vogelsang opened for 90,000 in middle position, and Jake Schindler called on the button with 88. Pratyush Buddiga woke up with AA in the big blind and made it 400,000. Only Schindler called.

The flop came 87Q. Buddiga check-called 400,000. He check-called 750,000 more on the 3 turn, and the river was a 3. Buddiga checked again, and Schindler used a time extension before shoving all in. Buddiga thought long enough to use at least one extension and then decided to call. Schindler took in a massive pot worth about half of the chips in play.
Blinds 20k/40k
Vogelsang: ~40bbs
Schindler: ~100bbs
Buddiga: ~115bbs

This looks misplayed on every street.

Preflop - huge sizing is questionable here and it almost looks like he just wanted to take it down preflop. Vogelsang opens to 2.2bbs, Schindler flats, and Buddiga makes it 10bbs. I think raising to 7-8bbs (275k-325k) is more than enough and doesn't bloat the pot out of position quite so much.

Flop - Why check? This doesn't accomplish anything other than signal to your opponent you have a 1 pair hand trying to keep the pot small, or a whiffed AK/AJ. He immediately narrows his range and allows Schindler to put in the easy suck bet of 40% pot which Schindler knows Buddiga is calling 100% of the time.

Betting out 250-300k is better imo.

Turn - Meh, I guess calling here is ok, but Schindler's sizing is pretty scary. Most draws and one pair hands would check back in this spot with deep stacks. Hands that bet this size are weighted towards value imo. Calling again is ok as played since Buddiga's hand is so underrepped.

I think Buddiga should have bet 250-300k on the flop, then ~625k on the turn.

River - Check calling sucks, I don't think Schindler triple barrels off very often here (I see an American flag next to his name, not a German flag which is a snap-call).

I think bet/folding 1.1M is best hoping to get value from Qx hands
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06-01-2017 , 07:58 PM
Actually just heard him say it again, maybe just an accent thing.

Will be interesting to see how they both play now that they're out of time extensions.
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06-01-2017 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter
Blinds 20k/40k
Vogelsang: ~40bbs
Schindler: ~100bbs
Buddiga: ~115bbs

This looks misplayed on every street.

Preflop - huge sizing is questionable here and it almost looks like he just wanted to take it down preflop. Vogelsang opens to 2.2bbs, Schindler flats, and Buddiga makes it 10bbs. I think raising to 7-8bbs (275k-325k) is more than enough and doesn't bloat the pot out of position quite so much.

Flop - Why check? This doesn't accomplish anything other than signal to your opponent you have a 1 pair hand trying to keep the pot small, or a whiffed AK/AJ. He immediately narrows his range and allows Schindler to put in the easy suck bet of 40% pot which Schindler knows Buddiga is calling 100% of the time.

Betting out 250-300k is better imo.

Turn - Meh, I guess calling here is ok, but Schindler's sizing is pretty scary. Most draws and one pair hands would check back in this spot with deep stacks. Hands that bet this size are weighted towards value imo. Calling again is ok as played since Buddiga's hand is so underrepped.

I think Buddiga should have bet 250-300k on the flop, then ~625k on the turn.

River - Check calling sucks, I don't think Schindler triple barrels off very often here (I see an American flag next to his name, not a German flag which is a snap-call).

I think bet/folding 1.1M is best hoping to get value from Qx hands
eh, no
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06-01-2017 , 08:21 PM
what's up with jake's attitude? seems to kind of have a stick up his ass. christoph is typically a pretty reserved and friendly guy. flinging his AQs face up into the table with the staredown was pretty lol.
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06-01-2017 , 08:22 PM
schindler just dabbed on him
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06-01-2017 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jc315
what's up with jake's attitude? seems to kind of have a stick up his ass. christoph is typically a pretty reserved and friendly guy. flinging his AQs face up into the table with the staredown was pretty lol.
Schillhabel told Maria Ho that Vogelsang was going to teach him how to play heads-up. This might be actually contentious. and it's great
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06-01-2017 , 09:11 PM
Leon was just interviewed and said Bonamo should have been disqualified and he is a scandalous person......Shots fired!!!
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06-01-2017 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by unclegoose999
Leon was just interviewed and said Bonamo should have been disqualified and he is a scandalous person......Shots fired!!!
link?
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06-01-2017 , 09:22 PM
4 on the river...

That had to hurt a lot.
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06-01-2017 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kooukla
link?
Was just posted on Poker News FB page.
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06-01-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kooukla
link?
https://youtu.be/QmyqYk5AVAk?t=128
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06-01-2017 , 09:43 PM
Christoph Vogelsang limped the button and Jake Schindler raised to 500,000 from the big blind holding {8-Hearts}{8-Spades}.

Vogelsang called as the flop landed {3-Clubs}{2-Hearts}{8-Clubs} and Schindler bet out 275,000. Vogelsang called and the turn landed the {Q-Hearts}.

Schindler cut out a bet of 900,000 and Vogelsang called as the {4-Diamonds} completed the board on the river.

Schindler now tapped the table, and with the action on Vogelsang he moved all in for 3.2 million and Schindler snap-called.

Vogelsang tabled his {A-Hearts}{5-Spades} for a wheel and Schindler shrugged his shoulders and tossed his set of eights to the muck.
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06-01-2017 , 09:50 PM
Must have been a chop. How can he bluff it off for 2.4 million.
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06-01-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by hratmsu
Must have been a chop. How can he bluff it off for 2.4 million.
Definitely not a chop. Jake was so salty
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06-01-2017 , 09:57 PM
They might need to rethink having the 2nd place finisher on the stage when they're presenting the 1st place trophy/ring/watch+money although it is entertaining watching the guy squirm/pout/look dejected (like I probably would as well)

On second thought, maybe they're onto something...it would be kind of funny if they started doing this in all sports, imagine the Falcons having to stand on the stage while the Super Bowl trophy was presented to the Pats
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06-01-2017 , 09:58 PM
it's like north korea. bring the loser on stage and make them confess their crimes while they try to avoid crying
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06-01-2017 , 09:59 PM
Too suicide from Jake on that last hand, way too adventurous. Felt for him though because it'd really suck to take those blows one after the other for such a huge swing. I can't imagine there was chop, the look of pain and dejection was clear to see.

Re: Bonomo - I think it's good for Leon to come out and state something like this. Guys like Bonomo really are awful for the fun of poker. You play that show, you agree to how it's ran, it's a tv show and hole cards are shown. These guys who are backed but like to do stuff because mainly it seems smart are going to drive the businessmen out of town because it's an attitude they (businessmen) won't like.
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06-01-2017 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
They might need to rethink having the 2nd place finisher on the stage when they're presenting the 1st place trophy/ring/watch+money although it is entertaining watching the guy squirm/pout/look dejected (like I probably would as well)

On second thought, maybe they're onto something...it would be kind of funny if they started doing this in all sports, imagine the Falcons having to stand on the stage while the Super Bowl trophy was presented to the Pats
that was ridiculous, not even entertaining imo just awkward as hell, cant even enjoy watching the winner celebrate

doesn't help that Mario ho is the absolutely terrible
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06-01-2017 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cocktails
He's not wrong.
Bonomo is a "scandal person" and is not good for the game (and probably more than that). When Leon learns more about the insinuations by Bonomo of his cheating it should get very entertaining.

Last edited by restorativejustice; 06-01-2017 at 10:05 PM.
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06-01-2017 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
He's not wrong.
Bonomo is a "scandal person" and is not good for the game (and probably more than that). When he learns more about the insinuations by Bonomo of Leon cheating it should get very entertaining.
leon is not the type of person you phuk around with
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06-01-2017 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jc315
Definitely not a chop. Jake was so salty
You could say Schindler's pissed? Amirite?
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06-01-2017 , 10:10 PM
Nice to see Jake picked one of the worst bluff combos for the final hand.

The A8 raise on the Q5x flop when Vogel had 54 seemed like a strange combo to do it with too.

Like obvs there's a lot going on and they've been playing for a while and I could just be a fish but seemed in some spots Jake was button clicking.

Just seemed like the online guys in this tourney had such a better understanding of theory than the live players when looking at hands.
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06-01-2017 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by emyoueffsee
You could say Schindler's pissed? Amirite?
Not bad, not bad at all
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