You guys are funny. Neither one of them should be faulted for their play, PH played it well and got Durrr to push with the worst of it. On the other hand Durrr MIGHT have suspected he was beat but its hard to get away from TT in that spot. I don't have the numbers in front of me (surely someone does) but the odds of being against a bigger pair when you are dealt TT HU is pretty damn small.

The rest is poker, i.e. Aces got cracked.

well then maybe Durrr isn't as good as you guys make him out to be.

It seemed pretty damn obvious that Phil had to have a monster.

It's not like he always plays monster hands that exact way.

im not on anyones nuts. you dont see me claiming to know phils definite range when he limp reraises semideep in a hu match.

you dont see me claiming who i think is better. i will say that if u wanted to bet on phil, u would have no problem finding action (not from me tho.)

PHIL IS BEST EVER HE MAKES IT CLEAR WHEN HE HAS THE NUTS SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT HE HAS AND THEY CAN FOLD, THUS ENSURING THE PROFIT OF PHIL.

so durrr must have played horrendous then.

At least i have another person agreeing that it was a pitiful raise all-in.

this just doesnt make sense

there is no reason to play any hand this way unless he balances his bluffs with the hands he'll call for value..and i really think that phil hellmuth is smart enough to know this. so the chances are that he does this with bluffs at least some time, and if he doesn't then that is terrible.

please to put up more durr/hellmuth threads.

TT 70bb ughh I don't give a **** who villian is or how tight he is I am NOT folding PF. BTW I've logged 300k+ hands of HUNLCASH.

Why did anyone reply to this trollbait?

Durr should have definitely folded his hand. I'm not gonna fault someone for sticking it in w/ 60 bb's, but Phil Hellmuth is never bluffing there. He doesn't even have AK an appreciable amount of the time. He plays so bad it's gross. Obv if Phil just raises his hand on the button he gets Durr's stack all day. But the way the hand went down Durr should have gotten away.

If you guys watched more poker on tv, you'd realize that he's not reraising anything below tens or even AK. That's not the way he plays and the way he thinks. Especially against a super fast playing online internet genius, you really think Phil's plan to get the chips is to limp-reraise bluff the button? Without a doubt, his plan is to trap Durr - and thats the only thought running through his mind.

As an aside, this is one reason a seasoned less skilled tourney player (who is in tune with the way terrible tourney players think) can do as well in tournaments as a sick cash game player w/ 10x the talent.

OK, so we are in agreement that Hellmuth played the hand way worse than Durrrr then.

What exactly does 'this' refer to? Just interested.

How on earth get threads like this so long?

no.

Durrrr played his hand worse

Hence his all in raise when his hand was dominated.

I'll say it once again.... If the roles were reversed and Phil is the one who re-raised all in with 10-10 and sucked out, you people would be crying about it right now, not justifying his play.

i was merely making a point about the information our OP provided.

That being said i've seen some pretty horrible **** from phil. example hand from a 6 handed 25/50 hand on UB

phil limps, i raise, shaun deeb 3bets.. folds to phil who calls. i make a 4bet to like 30-40bbs, shaun folds, phil calls. T54r flop and phil open shoves for 2-3k with 22.

um no, i dont think anyone would say hellmuth played it terribly. you're an idiot.

i propose a series of heads up grudge matches between phil's fanboys and durrr's fanboys

No matter the way the match turned out durrr is better than phil and is so much more technically sound than he is that it's not even debatable, even with live tells ect involved

phil isn't even one of the top 25 live pro's in the world, his only advantage in the poker world is a combination of his carefully crafted image and the fact that amatuers bend over backwards to give him their stacks for no reason

Sorry bout that - didn't mean to imply you thought one way about the hand or another. I realized you were just showing the other poster that it's a call given that range.


That hand is so awful obv, but I'd still argue that Phil's not gonna try and bluff Durr on national tv in the 1st round of the heads up championship ever. And I really think he's limp calling AK 100% of the time. He's just a lost cause.

My main point is that so many great players were quick to give Durr a pass because it's such an easy shove in a cash game or against any other player w/ a brain.

That said, I'm glad i don't have to play on national tv and take heat for getting it in w/ TT for 60 bb's .

Please don't talk with Durrrrs nuts in your mouth. It is impossible to understand you.

Well, we cant be results orientated about this.

Either Hellmuth had a narrow range of JJ+ AK (maybe not even AK) or he had a wide range including smaller pairs, some other aces, funky stuff like 89s.

So Durrrr is facing a choice when he is limp rr to 3600. He has TT, he has around 50-55 blinds back and he is HU with someone who is well known for doing ridiculously funky ****.

So what should he do, should he fold to the limp rr? Well, what if Phil pulls this again, what hands should he pull the trigger with? How about the 3rd or 4th time?

He simply has no choice to get all in there, and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. I mean, you gotta look at it as "wow, thats a weird line for someone to take" and just get the stacks in the middle. Again, they were like 65bb deep at the time the hand started, there is absolutely no way he can play that hand that isnt a 4bet shove.

This hand was a product of the crappy structure.

Also, re you point about the hands being reversed - the action would have never gone like you say - it would be raised on the btn by durrr, phil would call to "trap", then on the king high flop that came he would check fold to durrrr. Or maybe check min raise fold whilst bitching about how durrrr caught the king.

SO getting back to my earlier point, if Hellmuth does this with a wider range, its a fine play im sure you would agree. However if he is doing this with a really narrow range AND he is basically telegraphing his play because so many people think he was doing this tight, then your average opponent will be able to make the perfect play and fold to his lrr, with him losing tonnes of value on one of the few hands he wont be folding to small amounts of aggression preflop.

Its also fun to points out how Hellmuth does so well is because he has convinced donks like you that he only puts chips in with the absolute mortal nuts. He plays a much different style to one portrayed in the big hands shown on tv according to everything ive read from people who have played with him (of which you admit you are not).

no you are wrong.

Durrr reraised all in with 10-10 after Phil pretty much did everything but tell him he had KK or AA.

Phil then called him with A-A.

Phil got sucked out on after a terrible play on Durrr's part.

get off Durrrs nuts. or at least have the balls to pluck your eyebrows too.

PLO8, your a ******. No one would say Hellmuth played it badly if the hands were reversed as durrrr is so aggro that TT is AA as deep as they were playing. If that were the case you might get some people being results orientated like you seem to be, but virtually everyone would just go "meh, standard cooler".

Which is exactly what it is.