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07-07-2019 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ezdonkey
Very curious to hear partypoker's stance after this video
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07-07-2019 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Has Rob given you a prize as yet ?
Nah, he will just block him on twitter, discord, etc..lol
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07-07-2019 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
+1
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07-07-2019 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Holdem Manager
This VIDEO was received from a prospective customer of black hat software already under development after partypoker made the indefensible decision to no longer provide their players with hand histories. The video is being posted with their permission.

The video shows the creation of the core elements of a hand history that is not provided by partypoker. This is one of several products that will likely soon be for sale by 3rd parties on the black market.



As we said when the new policy was announced and as the video now makes very clear, partypoker has created an unenforceable policy for players willing to purchase black hat software. More importantly, they have done so at the expense of the single most important tool that the typical player has against collusion and cheating . . . the hand history.

Unfortunately this video will probably have no impact unless you get it shared among the poker community and/or a response from party and rob over it. If the only eyes who see it are this thread it might aswell not exist most likely.
I've been told that the high stakes private chat with rob yong on discord has not cared to discuss this stuff (most likely because all these high stakes players are going to benefit from using huds / 3rd party tools vs other regs who potentially might not be using them is my guess.)


With that being said thank you for going public with it and hopefully it has some amount of chance at reversing the no HH policy most importantly , and huds secondly since its annoying to play vs people you know are using huds against you while trying to follow the sites rules they don't enforce

Last edited by TreadLightly; 07-07-2019 at 04:58 PM.
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07-07-2019 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ezdonkey
Very curious to hear partypoker's stance after this video
turn around, shut their eyes tightly, stick fingers in their ears, and shout, "nah nah nah nah nah" ?
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07-07-2019 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by P51D
Blah blah blah blah....what a bunch of wankers.Read a couple of books and just play poker one game at a time.I’ve started to win taking my own advice.Who cares where the other players come from.Maverick just rode in to town and started playing,no hand histories,computers or HUD’s.You are all bunch of geeks.��
glub glub glub glub glub thats all i see
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07-08-2019 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
Rob young seems to be on both sides of the fence, he thinks spectating online poker tables shouldn't be possible because players deserve privacy. Also hiding the country people are playing from as part of his privacy topic on podcast/twitter. He also thinks it should be mandatory to display your IRL name ?

(he refers to both as things live poker do - says you will get kicked out if you try to rail a game IRL and that you know everyones names at the table in casino so why not online)
his "logic" fails on many levels. just b/c many ppl share private data on social media, not everyone does. and even if you're on social media with your real name, you still can block content from the public. besides that, poker is still seen as gambling and so many recs don't want to be tied to this. on top of that, how many Michael Smith, Ji-hoon Kim or whatever exist? or vice versa, what, when you have a unique name? and in what live games you know every guy at the table (by name) anyway?

but yong always sees the things, as it's best for his opinion. he claims HUDs are scary for recs, b/c fish think it's cheating. i know, that many recs also believe stables or players, who got paid to enter a live event so the GTD is hit, is some sort of cheating or at least an unfair advantage ...

let's see how this situation develops ... Yong announced a fair play council: "a non profit independent org connecting online & live poker operators who commit to sharing their information with eachother on known cheats, colluders & bots - what’s your view on this?"
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07-08-2019 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by P51D
Blah blah blah blah....what a bunch of wankers.Read a couple of books and just play poker one game at a time.I’ve started to win taking my own advice.Who cares where the other players come from.Maverick just rode in to town and started playing,no hand histories,computers or HUD’s.You are all bunch of geeks.��
The discussion, if HUDs or HHs are a necessity is over. the main concern is, that there're players out there, using illegal software and apparently don't get caught. so maybe you listen to these "geeks"
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07-08-2019 , 08:09 AM
Well, it looks like party team watched video. They banned poor moomcy. For using Visual Studio i suppose. Such a childish behavior.
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07-08-2019 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis



the level of decisionmaking at partypoker just amazes me again and again.
odds are they will go broke eventually

red flags all over the place
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07-08-2019 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by moomcy
Well, it looks like party team watched video. They banned poor moomcy. For using Visual Studio i suppose. Such a childish behavior.
I mean out of anything one could predict from this situation is that the account in video would be banned and it was dumb not to censor the screenname? lol

Calling the site out on their inability to do what they promise (and show yourself breaking the rules in a 'gotcha' way , not a 'here is evidence its possible please help fix this!' way) they will not like it and very likely snap ban you
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07-08-2019 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
I mean out of anything one could predict from this situation is that the account in video would be banned and it was dumb not to censor the screenname? lol
They can find who was playing from hand id or ppl around, there is no point to hide screenname.

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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
Calling the site out on their inability to do what they promise (and show yourself breaking the rules in a 'gotcha' way , not a 'here is evidence its possible please help fix this!' way) they will not like it and very likely snap ban you
I didn't break any rules, as you can see on video, there is only Visual Studio. No huds, no other tools. They banned me in revenge .
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07-08-2019 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by moomcy
Well, it looks like party team watched video. They banned poor moomcy. For using Visual Studio i suppose. Such a childish behavior.
haha ye I was thinking the same. should not be that hard to grab all the running applications and check for unusual software/programming software
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07-08-2019 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by moomcy
Well, it looks like party team watched video. They banned poor moomcy. For using Visual Studio i suppose. Such a childish behavior.
Can you post the email(s) and any communication that they sent to you?
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07-08-2019 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by moomcy
Well, it looks like party team watched video. They banned poor moomcy. For using Visual Studio i suppose. Such a childish behavior.
Are you affiliated with holdem manager or any other company affected by the party HUD ban?
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07-08-2019 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
his "logic" fails on many levels. just b/c many ppl share private data on social media, not everyone does....

let's see how this situation develops ... Yong announced a fair play council: "a non profit independent org connecting online & live poker operators who commit to sharing their information with each other on known cheats, colluders & bots - what’s your view on this?"
Any link to this announcement ?

GDPR issues addressed in the announcement ?
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07-08-2019 , 11:14 AM
Amazing. I guarantee HUDs are already available. Eastern european bumhunter regs who never played a reg in their life suddenly decide it's time to play everyone. I wonder what gave them that confidence?
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07-08-2019 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Can you post the email(s) and any communication that they sent to you?
https://snag.gy/9FYwq6.jpg
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07-08-2019 , 11:44 AM
hahahaha this is ****in ridiculous

I refuse to believe they can be this stupid, **** I mean Ike is on their team
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07-08-2019 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by moomcy
Wait, they confiscate account balances ?

Do they do that for any closure or just when they feels like it ?

So much for "fair play", especially since Rob publicly solicited submission of such evidence ....

Is Party no longer subject to regulation anywhere ?
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07-08-2019 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Wait, they confiscate account balances ?
Yes, they stole 10 bucks .
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07-08-2019 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Wait, they confiscate account balances ?

Do they do that for any closure or just when they feels like it ?

So much for "fair play", especially since Rob publicly solicited submission of such evidence ....

Is Party no longer subject to regulation anywhere ?
I think we all saw Yong's move coming a mile away.
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07-08-2019 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MilkMan
I think we all saw Yong's move coming a mile away.
Of course, but that is like saying we all saw a guy with a ski mask in 100 degree weather loitering outside a liquor store. Wouldn't make what unfolded any more or less legal.

That Party confiscated player funds, solely because someone showed him what he asked to see, is even more objectionable in a regulatory sense. What makes that $10 or $100 or $1,000 property subject to unilateral confiscation ?
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07-08-2019 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by moomcy
They can find who was playing from hand id or ppl around, there is no point to hide screenname.

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Not convinced their security is that capable.
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07-08-2019 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Any link to this announcement ?
Searching for OPAC finds:



(I haven't watched it all, yet.)

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Edit: OPAC bit starts at 32m22s.

Fwiw, I was told by the poker boss of a site many years ago that they had a "sharing names of the bad guys" arrangement with some other sites and they had to pull out of it because some of the sites shared the names of some of the good whales, falsely, so they could keep them to themselves. Maybe he was wrong in his suspicions, of course, because what reputable organisations would do that?

As for Yong wanting to keep a good poker ecology, (the scientific study of the processes influencing the distribution and abundance of organisms, the interactions among organisms, and the interactions between organisms and the transformation and flux of energy and matter), who can blame him for that?

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-08-2019 at 04:47 PM.
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