I don't really understand what you mean by this. If you know your player pool, any unknown is going to get your attention quick; there's a few ways of identifying a probable fun player before you even sit at the table once you open the table up. I'd say less than 10% of the time I have to play a few hands before realizing someone is a fun player.

The tables appear as anonymous from the lobby - you can only see the play and stack sizes. Thus, unless they have a really suspicious stack size, you can't tell whether someone newly seated at a table you're not on is a fish or not. This encourages people to play reg-only lineups because 'fastest finger' doesn't really work.

Oh, I think there's plenty of "groupthink" to go around on both sides of that debate.

Sure but numbers wise...far more pro huders.

I get the impression that's changed over the last couple of years.

The anti HUD camp also enjoys by far the largest dumbf**k contingent.

Maybe. Be interesting to know the pro vs anti numbers in theses type of threads.

Lol@comparing a negative sum game where you need an influx of people losing money and having fun to the stock market.

The real opportunities you elude that are dead an gone as you put it are that way largely bc all of the poker software you love so much.

Are HUDs actually banned? I'm looking at some Poker Goals and Challenges threads and seeing that people still have HUD statistics in their hand histories from Party (VPIP/PFR/3bet etc.)

Also I thought they stopped people downloading hands? How are people still downloading them and posting them on these forums?


Fantastic, then you won't mind if they are banned. Glad we are on the same page.

HUDs were never banned and won't be.

Can we get the misleading click-baiting title changed already? Seriously

If HUDs can still be used and hand histories can still be downloaded, what exactly has Partypoker banned?

scripts ldo

Ok, so why is the thread title telling a blatant lie? HUDs haven't been banned. And why has this gone on for more than 300 posts without a moderator changing the title?

I thought it was strange when I was looking at PG&C threads for people playing on party, and they had all the HUD statistics in their hand histories. Didn't make any sense. Either they were circumventing the ban, or HUDs haven't actually been banned.

They've made tables anonymous before you are dealt cards so for example table scanners don't work anymore though they aren't specifically banned but useless. They were going to stop writing hand histories to players' hard drives and some people and news sites (that are quoted for the title of this thread) misunderstood it as banning HUDs (maybe misunderstood on purpose).

Only thing that have been banned after the changes so far are seating scripts.

The thread title is a blatant lie because news sites understood party's announcement wrong (on purpose) as it creates more clicks when you write stuff like "HUDs are banned" compared to "HHs won't be written to hard drives anymore"

I guess the same reason goes for 2+2 as they are making money from ads as well. I can't see any other reason for not changing the title.

I'm not sure why the title wasn't changed, but I can guarantee you that wasn't the reason. I assume that mods haven't read the thread, and perhaps thought any post reports (not sure how many of you made one) were just looking for a semantic change. Mods aren't usually going to be adjusting a thread title upon someone else's request (IE someone other than the OP) unless they think it's warranted.

In the future, I'd suggest a post in the NVG moderation thread if post reports aren't being dealt with in a manner you find satisfactory. I don't see post reports in this forum as I'm not a mod here, but another (non-NVG) mod PMed me, so I've made the change he suggested.

A 2+2 poster makes a shocking discovery. What he posts will blow your mind but you'll never guess what happens next

Could not ****ing agree more!

Thanks Bobo Fett!

Are you still losing at micro stakes?

I've never been losing at "micro stakes". Also in 2016 it's a little bit of a stretch to continue using the outdated definition which includes NL50 as a micro stake. Those stakes often play quite tough, especially the zoom games. Prior to switching over to NL50 in Jan 2014 I played almost exclusively $1/2 - $5/10 HU limit. I don't think anyone would consider those levels microstakes and I was never even close to losing there at any time. The only time in my career in which I truly broke even pre RB was 2014, when I transitioned full stop into NL50 zoom.

But to answer your question more thoroughly, since you seem to be thoroughly interested, in 2015 I played mostly HUNL50 zoom and HUNL50 reg tables with the majority of my action occuring at zoom. In the zoom game I started off the year very strong, winning about 10bb/100 pre RB for the first 6 months but the lineups in which I was playing became significantly tougher around the end of June and my results stagnated. In retrospect I was playing some extremely tough lineups and was unable to play peak times due to non poker related constraints, often being stuck in adverse game conditions paying 12bb/100+ in rake. Around August I started formulating heuristics for quantifying leaks on the spot and around october started implementing much stricter table selection guidelines under that regime. I saw a modest improvement in results to finish the year and did finish significantly ahead overall pre rb, however on much reduced volume, and only after what was shaping up to be a truly good year was badly diminished by a protracted downswing. On the reg tables, bumhunting is bumhunting although going forward I will not be battling at ss HUNL under any circumstances unless the environment radically changes.

I've recently started incorporating results from both simple and multiple linear regression analysis into my strategy, devising more precise heuristics for a wide range of different situations. On top of that I've been working on a number of custom projects to extend functionality of some off the shelf tools I use. I anticipate that coupled with the newer, data driven table selection rules will result in significantly improved win rates for 2016.

Thank you for your unrelenting obsession with me. Let me know if there are any other questions I can answer in other threads.

Thanks for clarification

This should be in the cliff notes of every HUD-related thread.

So is HUD allowed? I am so confused. It seems that no one has been banned for using HUD

https://www.partypoker.com/terms-and...ge-policy.html

4. Extracting Player Profiles (this means HUD right?)

Certain companies offer for sale programs specifically created to extract player profiles and then sell them in the form of enormous player databases with the promise that anyone who purchases these programs can use this information to their advantage against other players invisibly gathering information about you and then selling it to others to use when they play against you online.

These programs are based on Player hand histories and they typically use the following methods: screen-scraping, reading "Dealer Chat," and by accessing hand histories directly from individual Player's computers using the program.

This says they're banning using bought hand histories or using HUDs which have information on players based on hands you did not participate in. As it reads they are not taking action on HUDs or using your own database of hands you played.

such a pointless post, why not just read the previous few posts itt and have your answer, even the title has been changed to get rid of the clickbait.