Wrong.

With most yes sure your correct to a point. The stats in question were stats such as folding to a king high board and things of that nature. You might not even have a king high board in 100 hands let alone one that was HU and your opponent cbet. So yea, tens of thousands.

But thats not important anyway so it doesn't really matter.

Thread confirms why poker is not dead.

Yeah your right, I was just referring to basic stats and how small pieces of somewhat dubious information is still relevant.

This is spot on. The end result of these changes, as with other changes such as on FTP recently, is that regs (at least those that want to do well at small and mid stakes not sure about high) will play fewer hands. Instead they'll need to play less tables simultaneously to pay more attention or spend more time reviewing past hands. The end result will be they will generate less rake.

Why would a site want players to generate less rake? Deposits aren't coming in fast enough compared to the amount of rake generated is what seems to make the most sense to me. Make the regs play less hands and it results in less deposits being converted to rake and less rewards payed out.

Reducing how much rake gets generated could be accomplished in different ways. Caps on number of tables played at once or number of hands played in a month. Reduce rake based incentives (which is already happening on many sites) or even just reducing rake.

Banning HUDs or other third party software has the benefit of reducing rake generated while also appeasing the anti-hud crowd. I guess some think they're play is so great that only complex software can exploit them. That's not the case. Fishy players will continue to do fishy things that causes them to lose money and good players will continue to the profit from them. The only difference is they'll need to pay attention more but trust me, when some fish sits down at a table people are going to pay attention to them except for the 10/8 multi-tabling, set-mining, man-bots.

Some middle of the road players that are slightly break even before rewards may be forced to drop out though.

^ In the environment where everyone is playing one table, i.e. live - my regular game is 0.50/1.00 euro blinds with 5% rake in a game where people are posting their UTG limps "in the dark" before the cards are dealt. Online I play 0.02/0.04 euro and 0.05/0.10 euro blinds against other strong-amateur players. I spend way more time online but my live venue rakes way more from me than my main online site does.

So it's not as simple as everyone playing fewer tables and the sites raking less - we can also play much higher and rake more per hand if the ecosystem is right.

This lol.

New depositors are more important than rake grinders and sites will do whatever necessary to make the former happy, even at the expense of the later.

Someone that deposits $100/month is far more valuable to a Site than someone that does not deposit but generates many many more times that in rake each month. If you don't accept that proposition you are arguing from an ill-informed position.

Alexdb,

Do you still play poker online? I know you quit FT a few years ago, have you felt the urge to get back into (part time) the grind?

I wasn't on FT much, so you might have me mixed up with another player. Used to play on Ladbrokes a lot, but now just the occasional 20 mins on Unibet microstakes.

I'm not going to play 1 table on an app for real money against a multi-tabled-up pool of tooled-up desktop regulars (because I used to be one, and its a huge advantage).

But I now wish I could recreationally play a single fair $1/$2 game on a tablet, even if I'd now be a slight net-depositor, but the providers (the regs), don't even seem to want me to be able to. So live poker then.

i think hud is being overlooked as a training tool. seeing the stats of winning players and copying them really shortens the learning curve.

all the regs who say they dont need hud to win has probably learned how to win with a hud.

I used to post on THMF as well.

Does the 200nl games run on Unibet?

I haven't checked it much, but I think up to 2/4 is usually running.

When I wrote "Quit FT" I meant that you quit playing full time.

Sorry for the confusion.

^ 2/4 is more popular than 1/2 on Unibet for some reason.

This morning (European time) a table of 2/4 was running but not 1/2. later in the afternoon there was one table of 1/2 and a couple of 2/4. Now we are into the European evening it looks like there are 5 tables of 1/2 and 7 of 2/4 running. So if those times and volumes suit then it's ok for you. If you want to play 24 tables at UTC 5 am then it's not.

I don't know if anybody's played on PP since the updates but I logged on today to play for a bit and my HUD still works not to mention hands still seem to be saving to HE2

I really like how it doesn't let you see the names of who you're playing with until you're dealt a hand though, that's a great idea

b/c PP never announced to ban HUDs. they wanted to eliminate the seating selection (and did recently) and they will change the HH policy. that means you can't download HHs but you can see them within the client (at least for one year).

it was pointed out a few times ITT but it seems mods are too busy or maybe it's fun to spread false rumours ^^

does PP still give out HHs cuz if so then you can still review ur opponents tendencies post game

also if they are playing a GTO style game then they actually dont need a hud, its only for exploitative play that the hud becomes useful. and understanding how to exploit ur villain, you will probably realize where he is unbalanced with or without a hud, just with a hud you might be able to do it more quickly (especially if your multi tabling)

it might be the mass multi tablers that having no hud hurts the most, as they would need to more closely follow their villains tendencies for exploitative adjustments

I definitely misread then lol, I like what they did so far

But will there be possibility to do statistics some way from your hand history. Just to see where u need to improve ?

plz post one HH from the client

there is a text/replay view option here is sample hand


znachit_a ($8,927.00)
ImPaulin ($22,212.00)
Florida2015 ($16,435.00)
yourbehind88 ($42,718.00)
Yujin_EX1 ($13,730.00)
rodger_papa ($12,113.00)
ANTES/BLINDS;
ImPaulin posts ante $60.00, Florida2015 posts ante $60.00, rodger_papa posts ante $60.00, Yujin_EX1 posts ante $60.00, znachit_a posts ante $60.00, yourbehind88 posts ante $60.00, ImPaulin posts small blind $300.00, Florida2015 posts big blind $600.00.
PRE-FLOP;
rodger_papa folds, Yujin_EX1 folds, znachit_a raises $1,200.00, yourbehind88 calls $1,200.00, ImPaulin folds, Florida2015 calls $600.00.
FLOP; [TD, QC, 9C]
Florida2015 checks, znachit_a checks, yourbehind88 bets $2,400.00, Florida2015 raises $6,600.00, znachit_a folds, yourbehind88 calls $4,200.00.
TURN; [TD, QC, 9C, 9D]
Florida2015 bets $8,575.00 and is all-in, yourbehind88 calls $8,575.00.
RIVER; [TD, QC, 9C, 9D, 3H]
Showdown
Florida2015 shows [JH, 8H]
yourbehind88 shows [8C, 5C]
Florida2015 wins $34,670.00 from the main pot with straight.
Summary
Dealer: yourbehind88
Main pot : $34,670.00
Rake: $0.00
znachit_a loses ($1,260.00)
ImPaulin loses ($360.00)
Florida2015 bets $16,435.00, collects $34,670.00, net $18,235.00
yourbehind88 loses ($16,435.00)
Yujin_EX1 loses ($60.00)
rodger_papa loses ($60.00)

shouldn't ban HUD but definitely scripts

Lemme guess, u use a hud but not a script?

some developer will put in some work and make a converter/grabber, don't worry about it