The solution is to get the fish to play against players that are a lot better than the 17/14 nits? How about just changing the game structure so that nitting it up isn't a viable strategy?

i've done exactly that too, my cashout however is still pending

It would be interesting to know what type of table composition produces the most rake for a pokersite. Is it a table full of nits, 5 nits and 1 fish, 6 regulars, 6 fish ?? etc etc
My guess is 5 regs and 1 fish but hard to say. 6 nits cant be that bad too when edges are sooo small

I wouldn't be at all surprised now if people start seeing an unusal number of all-in split pots from now on

of course it's rigged, it's poker

I always assumed that since they were basically printing money why would they risk rigging the games to make a little more... Well after seeing this, I'm first to admit I was wrong in my assumption.

- Aesop Fables

Juk

That will be perfect

Only browsed through this 6 page thread (in what 2 days? Shows major concern from the players... take a hint party)

Anyway, any1 knows if this segregation is applicable to the .fr / France domains?

If this trend of separating players based on skill continues beyond party and revolution to infect more sites eventually you'll end up with a group of sites that segregate players, which will contain mostly fish, and a group of sites that do not segregate players, which will mostly be made up of stronger players. And as time goes on and the knowledge of which sites are segregating spreads this will create an even stronger dichotomy in the players on each site.

I imagine pokerstars won't be able to save the game to a certain point once it becomes common knowledge amongst even the bad recreational players as to which sites they can play on that will place them in strawberry shortcake land, essentially making a legit site like pokerstars into a shark tank just because it does not engage in segregating player pools.

This is not poker and anyone who continues to give either of these sites their rake is hurting poker.

Someone move this post up to the first reply in this thread and send it to Party, Revolution, Microgaming, Ongame and Merge please.

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. How can they possibly justify this?

I don't think this is true.

I think most examples in poker show that the fish do not prefer the place where they lose a little more slowly, especially when it is a worse brand with inferior structures of play.

As long as PokerStars remains the place with the most action, best software and superior structures to play in, it is very unlikely to happen as you say.

Moves like the one Party makes decreases fish play too, it just banks on decreasing overall winning players and increasing margins.

Networks usually do things like this to decrease poker profits, but to increase casino and sportsbook profits a few times more (thus increasing overall profit).

I'll be the first one to admit that I could be entirely wrong about this, but looking at the actions and patterns of two of the networks that know fish best (PokerStars and Winning Network), the moves being made on Party and Revolution look more margins based than anything that is good for the players (Revolution looks like a desperate extreme correction in the opposite direction given they can't pay people out on time and were paying 100-150% rake back to their biggest grinders as recently as late summer).

Profit.

They have to look at the incentives they're creating. This move seems really dumb. Although not everyone will continue to the ugly and ultimate extension, it will place customers irretrievably on the path towards full blown cheating. Incentivizing multi accounting is really stupid.

We'll always have tournaments, don't know about Sit n go's though....

The worst thing that can happen is for the players to do nothing as other networks will feel that they can do the same thing.

Lot of the fishes that sign up to a site start by playing tournament then will venture to cash games, not sure who party will atract with their sunday 25K garantee.

Also as stupid as it might sound if a fish migrate from stars to party to give it a try, after couple of badbeats or missed bluffs they will be back on PS because of better software.Or say stuff like on PS it s better cause people respect your raises and don t call with any 2 crappy cards... point is... fishes being fishes, i don t see any migration occuring.

the only trend you're going to see is one that's been going on for a while, which is a trend of ****ty sites losing customers.

Can everyone who has a problem with this get onto to Party support and complain? After that, maybe some kind of sitout or something. I don't know how effective that will be but its better than doing ****ing all.

Yeah, winning regs and where do you think they're going to go? Discriminating against one group of players is nuts, I can't understand how anyone can argue otherwise.

What most of you dont realize is that this is gameover for cash games. This is a plan I see all smaller sites doing. They really have no choice if they want to survive. They know they will lose the regs and they don't care. In the long run the poker sites win more, easy as that. Just cash your money out.

What does matter is waiting to see what PS/FTP does.

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out in a few months. Which sites who will not adopt this plan. How it will affect PS? All regs have no choice to play at PS now and how will it affect PS player base. What will happen when PS regs doubles and how will it effect PS economy with the fishies.

you're nuts if you think that this will only discourage good regs. regs make up a very large % of the player pool these days. almost all of them either aspire to be good or already think they are good whether they really are or not. they're not going to want to play on sites that punish people for winning if that is their goal.

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Originally Posted by jukofyork
I always assumed that since they were basically printing money why would they risk rigging the games to make a little more... Well after seeing this, I'm first to admit I was wrong in my assumption.

- Aesop Fables

Juk

Someone move this post up to the first reply in this thread and send it to Party, Revolution, Microgaming, Ongame and Merge please."

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It's so old news that it has already got rotten and disappeared. Rare to see that someone still thinks on those lines when we know in about exact detail and by site how the whole rigging is done (there is a separate forum, or wait, a page or so for that, ran by the company that supports these sites) and all these sites themselves know them well as they more or less have copied it from each other. I have been around since the beginning and have seen it all.

Lol, ok so what you are saying is that the good regs will move over to my site but the bad regs will move over as well. So the bad regs will balance out the good regs?

Possibly the most damaging development ever to online poker, really hope this doesnt happen or online poker as a skill game is forever gone and the term online poker pro will no longer exist. Wow this is bad, and for EVERYONE (fish, reghunter, bumhunter) involved except Party.