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05-27-2008 , 10:51 PM

#51

kerze

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Originally Posted by ben wb

Where is Nick Rainey when you need him?

picking up good2cu's dry cleaning imo

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05-27-2008 , 10:55 PM

#52

corpseartist

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Gus, Matusow and some tennis pro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0im-L30V6ew

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05-27-2008 , 11:25 PM

#53

shaniac

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Gus seems to have really good form in that video. Not sure what anyone's basis is for comparing him to Patrik.

Also, lol @ "two time mixed doubles champion."

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05-27-2008 , 11:30 PM

#54

Scansion

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Originally Posted by shaniac

Gus seems to have really good form in that video. Not sure what anyone's basis is for comparing him to Patrik.

Also, lol @ "two time mixed doubles champion."

Yeah, competitive touring pros are in a completely different league then him. There's no way Gus is going to return three or four out of ten serves against even a top 200 junior.

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05-28-2008 , 12:28 AM

#55

ShipItMehr

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Originally Posted by The4thFilm

There is a massive amount of lucky. Why do top seeds get bounced by unrankeds all the time?

Skill level of the top 200 players = a fairly small gap, its the mental fortitude, confidence, and other slight edges that separate the top of the ATP. Nearly everyone on the ATP has a strong forehand, heavy to huge serve, solid backhand, etc, but the best are slightly better at certain things than others. So, if a player has a substantially off day in this day and age, especially on the men's tour, he can be a top ranked player and lose to someone ranked #300.

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05-28-2008 , 12:48 AM

#56

Garbs

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Originally Posted by Scansion

Yeah, competitive touring pros are in a completely different league then him. There's no way Gus is going to return three or four out of ten serves against even a top 200 junior.

How the hell do you know any of this, really?

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05-28-2008 , 12:49 AM

#57

ShipItMehr

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Originally Posted by FoldALot.

Please shut the f up. Your second sentence shows you have absolutely no clue about the sport. Tennis scoring has nothing to do with luck.

Yes, people lose to lower-ranked players all the time. I never denied that.
The no.100 can and will beat the no.20 frequently.
The no.500 will never beat the no.100. They are in a different league.

Have a look at the link. This guy is ranked 507 and as you can see towards the bottom, he has defeated players well within the top 100.

http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/player...0&prevtrnnum=0

Also, at one point Agassi, ranked #1, struggled in his career and fell in the 400s. He had to drop down and play the challenger circuit (minor leagues of the ATP Tour) and lost matches there as well. Eventually he climbed up and finished his career admirably. I played Div. 1 college tennis myself, so I like this thread.

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05-28-2008 , 12:58 AM

#58

MGD

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They have already played each other at Aussie this year and maybe in Vegas. So they are well aware of each other's abilities. I think Gus outplayed Patrick in those matches so now the competitor in Patrick has kicked in and he's started working on his game before this rematch.

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05-28-2008 , 01:04 AM

#59

sapol

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the surface in which they will be playing, kind of a big factor if their level is similar.

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05-28-2008 , 01:05 AM

#60

Daut44

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Originally Posted by btmagnetw

if i gave you $100 and a tennis racket, could you double it for me?

prob one of the funniest things ive ever seen

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05-28-2008 , 01:05 AM

#61

Grue

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Which one gets to use the baseball mitt?

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05-28-2008 , 01:07 AM

#62

Backspin20

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Originally Posted by Witzo

It's highly possible theres some sort of handicap too. For example, spotting a player the Out of Bounds line for doubles as opposed to singles.

This advantage is quite huge for two players that are anywhere near the same skill level

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05-28-2008 , 01:09 AM

#63

GiantWalleye

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Originally Posted by GIMMEtheGOLD

As someone who has played tennis my whole life this thread tilts me so badly.

Same here, you guys are putting me on life tilt reading this. Gus obviously know how to play. But give me a month of getting in shape and I would pwn either one of them HU for rollz. To bad my roll is about 1/10 of a percent of theirs.

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05-28-2008 , 01:09 AM

#64

Mediocre_Player

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Speaking of Rainey, did that "gimmick" match where he'd play with no racket ever happen?

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05-28-2008 , 03:14 AM

#65

benjdr

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Gus has a really nice forehand and one handed backhand in that video. Ignore the sliced serve returns; he's just making sure he returns it in the court.

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05-28-2008 , 03:42 AM

#66

OmahaDoc80

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I couldn't resist.

I have never seen Gus play, but Patrik says he is very good. He has a one handed backhand which is a little weaker. Patrik thinks its going to be a very close match.

What I do know is that both guys are in great shape. Gus is an animal in the gym and Patrik is the same. They are going to play the match on clay and its going to be very soon. I will make sure Patrik posts all the details in his blog so people can come out and watch.

Final thing that might surprise you all. David Benyamine is better then both Patrik and Gus. He is getting in a lot better shape and I think he has a few tennis matches for big stakes lined up as well.

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05-28-2008 , 04:29 AM

#67

FoldALot.

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Originally Posted by shaniac

Gus seems to have really good form in that video. Not sure what anyone's basis is for comparing him to Patrik.

Also, lol @ "two time mixed doubles champion."

Yeah, it's pretty funny. He was partnering Venus Williams btw so go figure.

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05-28-2008 , 04:32 AM

#68

FoldALot.

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Originally Posted by Scansion

Yeah, competitive touring pros are in a completely different league then him. There's no way Gus is going to return three or four out of ten serves against even a top 200 junior.

Absolute nonsense. Gimelstob was a top 100 pro (top 20 in doubles) and played on the tour until recently. While his serve might not be top-notch, it's ridiculous to compare him to a top 200 junior. Gus would return most of those serves easily.

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05-28-2008 , 04:34 AM

#69

FoldALot.

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Originally Posted by ShipItMehr

I guess you didn't read the post where I specified what "top 500 player" means to me.

Saretta is former top 50 but hasn't played in a year, that's why he's ranked so low.

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05-28-2008 , 04:55 AM

#70

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patrik played on a national level in finland. needless to say, the player pool is quite small in finland so "going pro" (which he never did) doesnt necessarily require as much skill as it would in other countries.

some of you seem to overrate PAs tennis game because of his success in poker and godlike status on this forum. you forget (or arent even informed) that gus and PA have played together and therefore know each others skill level (unless someone has been playing under his level to setup a future hustle).

we really need nick rainey here if we want to have some insight that isnt based on guessing.

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05-28-2008 , 05:02 AM

#71

Mason Malmuth

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Originally Posted by thrasher789

I'm somewhat curious as to why Gus thinks he will fare well against PA, I thought it was common knowledge to all that PA used to play tennis proffessionally and even though Gus is proficient in the sport I can't imagine him having much of a shot at it, and they are putting up a minimum of 200k each plus side action. My question is: is it possible Gus truely has no idea of PA's past tennis expereince? I can't imagine this being possible but last night they discussed it on PAD with the host and Gus was quoted saying "We should be playing it soon, we're both trying to get alot of practice in before we play and get in shape, neither of us are nearly as expereinced as proffesionals but it should be a good match"

Well it just turns out that I know a little something about tennis, I started playing about 45 years ago, and Gus was recently hitting on the court next to me. He was hitting with a player from France who's here in town who once held a ranking of about 200 in the world, and Gus hits almost as well as this person. So I suspect he will do just fine.

Best wishes,
Mason

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05-28-2008 , 05:05 AM

#72

Luisgallo

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Originally Posted by The4thFilm

There is a massive amount of lucky. Why do top seeds get bounced by unrankeds all the time?

That's such a silly statement!
Luck factor in tennis is close to 0 unless they are at tie break of third set and somebody hits the net for an unvoluntary drop shot!

Tennis score is so complex that offsets any kind of luck factor.

Reasons why top seeds lose from time to time by worse players is because differences in play are not that big and a bad physical condition or mental status might deviate from a standard performance.

Roger Federer can be as unlucky as hell but he will never lose from number 300 of the world!

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05-28-2008 , 05:13 AM

#73

Luisgallo

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Originally Posted by Lego05

Ball hits the top of the net.....which side does it fall on? I've won/lost quite a few games in my life based on that.

Wow, I played tournaments since I was 13 (I am 35 now) and I recall one match only where last ball touched the side of the line and I lost...otherwise never had a win or a loss due to unconventional factors...

your sporting life is a drama!

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05-28-2008 , 07:18 AM

#74

wins_pot

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Neither Patrik or Gus are that good. I'd take like the #3 player at the University of West Florida, or the #15 guy in the US 18-under division over them, easily. One of my Harvard students is coming to Vegas this summer to train me for a tennis bet (against Patrik --- I have almost no shot) --- he plays #3 for Harvard and is not in the top 100 NCAA Singles, and I would lay Patrik or Gus 5-1 against him. Tennis is just incredibly deep --- there are so many tough players out there. Patrik's asst Nick is some kind of superathlete. Patrik is kind of a phenom as well -- he started playing golf in Sept and now breaks 90 on tough courses. BA