Can we work on a list of people, places, etc that should be boycotted by all poker players.

Anyone associated with, takes money from, etc Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker, or any other site regulated by that canadian indian tribe should be boycotted.

Can someone look into other sites regulated by the same group who "regulated" UB and AP?

Let's start a list and let it be known poker players won't have anything to do with the following:

Annie Duke - go f' yourself
Phil Hellmuth - you too
The magician - gey
Cardplayer Magazine - you make money advertising a site to your readers that you know has serious ethical issues....I'm sure you could careless
Bluff Magazine - same thing for you.
Pocket Fives - you list both AP and UB as a "Place to Play!"....what bullchit
Rizen - good choice to leave (edited)

There's not one ethical bone in the gambling industry, it doesn't appear.

Wouldn't you think maybe one of the magazines or pocketfives would come out and say we will not be part of organizations like UB and AP?

That's how things work in the online sportsbetting world. I guess there just aren't as a many options in the poker world.

When someone gets f'ed by a sportsbook, sites like eog.com post it everywhere, tell their members to stay away, refuse to list them on their site, etc.....

Not the poker world. UB is still listed prominently all over the place in most poker publications and websites.

Sad.

I know I don't have all the players listed who are associated with these losers. Maybe someone else can take the time to list others.

Rizen left awhile ago. Do a lil' more work, but james pokerpro33 campbell did just join

Add FT for not giving rakeback to everyone

Where is the PPA on this matter?

MARK SEIF

good question

I think they ask Raymer about this on the pokercast, but I can't remember what he said.Proly something about PPA being a group to lobby for legislative change, not a group to patrol poker sites.

If you're attempting to make some kind of appeal to reason and start a movement, I'm not sure calling somebody "gey" is really the best step.

The biggest problem with this AP/UB stuff is the massive amount of idiot children posting nonsense and creating so much noise that meaningful information and calls to action to get lost.

If this happened it just drags internet pokers name through the mud even more and deters the fish from depositing on all sites and not just UB/AP.

As far as most people are concerned if 2 of the biggest sites can cheat then all of them can.

It's up to each individual who plays poker to decide for themselves what their ethics are and how they view the situation.

Personally, I'd go out of my way to avoid anything UB/AP related.

There are ways for everyone to get it. You're just lazy. Do better research. Not just page one of google.

I have been a member of Pocketfives since I started playing online poker, I had over 1200 posts there. PocketFives just banned me over the UB issue

I started a thread on Pocketfives and asked if they have information that we don't have regarding UB, IOTW - giving them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't promote UB given what is known *unless* they had information that proves without a shadow of a doubt the company is under new ownership - I went on to say that if they did not have proof of new ownership I would be very disappointed they are promoting UB (basically every page you click on has UB link right at the top of the page)...

well the thread was very quickly deleted... next thing you know I receive a PM threatening that I will be banned if I talk about P5 and UB... it says P5 can run its business anyway they want and basically mind my own business or prepare to be banned... well I could care less about being banned from a site that will accept dirty money to promote a dirty company like UB... I made a post to that affect and was immediately banned.

No big deal, its clear to me that Adam and P-5s have sold out. Receiving advertising checks from UB is more important than finding the TRUTH and protecting the integrity of the game we all love. No different than anyone else on the list in the OP...Truly sad IMO, but perhaps not to them. They are the ones who have to look at themselves in the mirror everyday and maybe they believe they are not doing anything wrong.

I strongly believe that if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem. Not sure how pretending everything is ok, back to normal and actively encouraging people to play UB right now is part of the solution. Instead it seems as though companies like P-5 and the people/companies mentioned in the OP just think this will all blow over and go away...that line is -EV IMO. We cannot let this situation be swept under the rug, we must receive full disclosure and there must be consequences for the people behind this. As I write this and as long as PocketFives continues to promote UB - absent of full disclosure and proof the crooks and former ownership are no longer part of UB - PocketFives is part of the problem.

Its the arrogance of the people that continue to stand by UB in the face of overwhelming evidence they are still lying - that only adds fuel to the fire and will continue to energize those of us in pursuit of the truth. I am not sure we have even scratched the surface as to how deep this scandal runs. There are a lot of individuals, groups, companies and organizations who are very quiet and simply want to ignore this scandal and pretend it didn't happen... furthermore, judging by the threats and knee jerk reactions of many - its clear that a lot peolpe are scared out their ass right now. My question is why?

Does Esfandiari even remotely have anything to do with them anymore?

Wow!

P5 = Chinese Government

Nope. He represents WPT online now. But I guess OP should leave him up there because apparently he is gey.