This is spot on. If you make $50k/year in Brazil, you're ballin'. Minimum wage here is less than $400/month (lol) you can make that playing microstakes.

I wouldn't follow the poker dream if I lived in northen europe or something.

whats the point here? seeing how you live in thailand, im guessing a sick house is something to brag about.

Let's see...OP says online poker as a career is dead, and AJackson claims to have made a career of it for 10 years and that he still is.

Hmm...I wonder what his point could be?

whats the point here?

Seriously though but who cares what high stake players make?, they are all degends to me. Top winners barely even played 100k hands, those pools so small n games run so infrequent with no real fish that i don't see why anybody would look at what any of them do monetary wise. Doesn't even show who the best guys are either over those samples.

I rather look at what small to mid stake guys do to determine if poker is dead as a career cause high stakes is not even close to sustainable in the online climate.

Very good point. I live in a small'ish town, Tromsø, Norway (70k inhabitants), were ~$2k can be considered the minimum for covering rent and living expenses for a single person living in a small (45'ish m^2) apartment. If you want to live in the capital, Oslo, expect to pay more.

I'm currently in the process of relocating to Belgrade, Serbia (the capital with 1.2 million people). There, $1200 will cover rent and living expenses nicely for two persons living in a spacious (90'ish m^2) apartment in the city center. So the $2k existence minimum for one person living in a small Norwegian town corresponds to a comfortable budget (big apartment + all monthly expenses + a solid chunk of pocket money) for two persons in Serbia's biggest city. A huge difference in the value of the money. There are also immeasurable positives like being close (through a Norwegian's eyes, at least) to most European capitals with plenty of live poker options (Norway does not have legal cardrooms).

Now, living standards in Norway are superb, but it's not like Belgrade is a downgrade compared to small towns like Tromsø, quite the opposite. Especially when you have money to pay for things like private health services, should you need to get treated in a hurry (the public option can be a bit slow).

Moving is not an option for everyone, but the notion of having a poker career is very much tied to where you live and the lifestyle you want to sustain. One thing to keep in mind is that happiness has little correlation with money. Seek out things that make you happy, and you will be, as long as you have your living expenses covered.

who is this news to?

with rakeback implies they make 200k in rb + more

the + more is v far from avg experience

reality is you can make 200k/year in rb if you want to be a slave to PS

anyone playing on PS works for them, whether they know it yet or not

Cliffs: OP can't beat poker anymore and wants everyone else to stop to so he doesn't feel so bad.

As has been stated or at least implied in above posts: Cherry picking certain career types, then comparing the amounts made by the highest earner in each career type is a pretty useless comparison mechanism. And the conclusion that among the cherry picked careers the career in which the highest earner made less than the highest earner in all of the other careers is therefore a career that is dead and does not yield the possibility to make money (significant money?) is a pretty worthless conclusion.

If this isn't already a commonly-used word in BBV (and elsewhere on 2+2), it should be. Degen legend = degend!

And way better than this lame definition:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=degend

my point here is who tf cares if you have a house in thailand. most posters here are so full of crap this site should be posted on all public bathrooms.

lets see how hard this really is.

i have never lost a single session of online poker. I OWN BEACHFRONT PROPERTY IN ARUBA, my 3 wives ehh gfriends all drive ferraris. and all this from playing against all the fish out there. cept me of course.

damn being a winner aint that hard afterall. next.

So your point is that you don't believe him. You could have just said that instead of asking what his point was.

I play poker for a living because if I don't want to put on pants for an entire week I can, and it doesn't effect my income one bit.

I honestly don't care how much the sucker down the street get's paid to commute an hour and 1/2 and work 60-80 hours a week for someone else's gain. Hope he enjoys his boat he never has time to use, and his family he never has time to see.

if i make 200k a year without been bullied in the work place downgraded and ridiculed, and i dont have to ask for or request holiday time and have total freedom of my own schedule and i can jump up occasionally pace back and forth imaging day dreaming fantasies whilst smiling inanely without people observing and asking if i am mentally ill then i really do not care if under your definition i work for pokerstars or not.

Wuuuutt

Isildur is a degend.

I love how everyone always talks about how normal jobs suck compared to poker.

I have a non-poker job.

I work from home so have no commute time

I dont have to wear pants if i dont want to (but i do since i live with my family and my office has a window overlooking the street). In fact I usually wear a pair of shorts and nothing else (although today i am wearing a singlet as well since it is a bit cold).

I can take pretty much whatever holidays i want whenever i want but just like a poker player i dont get paid when i take time off. Most people at my work take 6 weeks per year off.

I dont get bullied, downgraded or ridiculed. This has never happened at any job even when i worked in an office. Not even when i worked in the US. I dont know where you guys get your ideas about work.

Unlike poker i get a GUARANTEED 40 hours a week at my set hourly rate. I don't have to deal with swings.

I have plenty of time to spend with my family or on my boat (except i don't have one any more).

I have all of the advantages of a poker player (except the opportunity to bink a big donkament) with none of the disadvantages.

if you work from home you don't have a "normal job." non-poker job != normal job. we complain about normal jobs.

good for you does you its not like that for everyone. is your place hiring is it mathmatical? is it something you can offer me? if not then how is it relevant to me?

I hope this isn't your application - I don't like your chances if it is.

So we can only talk about jobs in this thread if they can be offered to you?

[QUOTE=Bobo Fett;45752419]I hope this isn't your application - I don't like your chances if it is.

ROFLMAOOOOOOOO +1

it was more a point that its not relevant to the conversation. If I was a professional basketball player in the NBA for one season id make enough to never have to worry about money again (with sensible handling of that money) But I am not going to be offered that so its irrelevant.

Well, the OP started by comparing poker to several jobs that you aren't going to be offered either, so I'm not really seeing the issue with people comparing other jobs.

Not sure why there's so much concern ITT about the relevance of other people's experiences.

What's better.....A degend or a legen?