yup and now they forced real name on it ... so great...

Surprisingly numbers of people sitting are up at 100/200/500 huplo since they went to forced real names. I was honestly shocked by that.

Rob has indicated he plans to go KOTH for hu cash, but I'm not sure how he's planning to do that with an anonymous lobby. Surely it will be a nightmare of people just sitting every table and leaving once they see who it is.

Defo this.

" Originally Posted by x1111 View Post
Only nit nut peddlers want heads up banned.

Heads up poker is the purest form of poker"

While (arguably) being 'the purest' form of poker, with solvers and other AI based systems this is just a game too easy for the computers. So its not sustainable. Also fish tend to lose like crazy in these formats, quickly losing interest in playing as real EV come out very fast.

I remember seeing a video by Doug Polk and there's some software that lays out a person's "decision tree", right there I knew HU poker was dead. You add that nonsense with solvers and it's like "why am I even playing online poker?"

As far as purest form, it was pure and fun until software guys ruinws the game. Now you're just gonna get raped by some GTO half an autist who can stare at numbers all day. Hell being a poker player aint even sexy anymore, now it's just more super nerd **** that's worthless other than the money lol.

lol thats a new one. Can't have Hu coz easy for AI/solvers, doesn't say **** about SNG"s or Spins or CAP games tho.

Always skeptical of posters who want to remove the game where "fish tend to lose like crazy"...Why would u want to remove a game like that?

How much Revenue does pokerstars need to make/day for the liquidity/eco system garbage to cease?

You would condone someone in your waters fishing with dynamite ?

I would condone the powers that be taking 50% of every fish caught in the waters.

All those games you mentioned sound horrible, if that was the only thing available poker would suck. I love HU but it's just not sustainable. When FTP and Stars first added HU games it gutted their mid-high stakes. You could see it instantly.


People in this thread saying it doesn't just destroy fish, must be fish or just lying. Playing a fish HU is like being a grown man and fighting a 10 year old, easy game and the fish will drop their BR super quick.

yea read the post again, i don't think you understand.

yea ive seen you post this BS before about how you love HU and you win good at HU but you think it should be removed for the good of the poker economy or w/e.

I don't believe you, and if you are being genuine then you must be a complete idiot. Why would you want ur most profitable game removed?

This is exaggeration. I was playing both sites when this happened and tbh didn't notice anything but willing to accept that there was an effect to the 6max games. there are so many other reasons for the gutting of ALL poker games, but to put a big emphasis on the addition of HU games is hilarious.

lol, you have no idea.

why don't u stop lying and admit that you are trying to get rid of HU because u want to keep ur 1bb/100 6max winrate at microstakes.

honestly its really funny reading thru all these HU is bad for the game posts

then going onto pokerstars and looking at the 6max microstakes zoom pools and realizing that every hour pokerstars is raking like $300+ from each pool while the biggest winner in it maybe makes $5/hr + his 3% Rakeback

saying HU should be removed because fish die playing HU is like saying "were stranded on this desert island with very little water, lets kill some members of our group so we can have more water." The problem is the lack of water, the online ecosystem is barren and hostile because there is no new money being pumped into it, everyone always seems to want to treat the symptoms and not address the root issue

HU is not solved guys, unless you really want to stretch the def of 'solved.' Human beings aren't up to the task, very few will put in the hours w/ the software to accurately mimic these complex strats. HU is not solved, especially deep (the way HU is meant to be played).

If were talking about CFRM/real time advisor software, that could become a much more scary threat in the coming years. But consider that HU is one of the most 'policeable' formats by sites

For all you ring players that dont care about HU let me just say this: imo you should. Skill at HU transfers into every other format. Being able to organize and allocate different regions of your distribution through the game tree in these wide range V range spots is a fundamental skill that will directly improve your results in everything else. In HU you see the distillation of many ring concepts, and get insights into the structural nature of the game. There is a reason many of the best in the world have a HU backround. 80-90% of the players everyone seems to worship come from the HU streets

Then at 6max the kid is fighting against 5 grown men with baseball bats, since at 6max regs aren't forced to play their crap hands, but are taking turns beating up the fish with only their top 25% hands.

Just because hu regs win faster, doesn't mean the fish loses faster. Or do you think the winrates for hu regs are 5 times bigger than for 6max regs?

Edges are wide in this format, indeed, but the spread between the winrate vs a bum or a bad reg compared to the winrate vs a fish is far lower than what most would think.

Fishes absolutely love this game and it isn't rare to see a fish sunrun a few days/weeks on stars or other sites and just keep playing.

Anyways, no one in here ever compared winrates numbers or rake numbers therefore cant have an educated opinion on the matter.

All we know is, fish love that game, let's keep it running.

Why do you assume the two things are tied together? Stars could be making huge money in spite of HU being terrible for them. Or Stars could be doing terribly in spite of HU making them huge amounts of money. I expect they'd base any decision about HU on how HU does, not on their overall bottom line.

Is this a real question? I mean, the answer is fairly self-evident.

You may disagree that the fish lose like crazy, or maybe you think it doesn't matter because there are plenty more fish where they came from, or you believe the fish will keep depositing, but I can't see why you would find it so strange that people are concerned about games where "fish tend to lose like crazy".

If recreational players/fish don't feel they're getting good entertainment for their dollar, and that they'll never win, that's going to have an impact on where they choose to play. I don't have a definite answer as to whether that's the case with HU on Stars or anywhere else, but it's pretty sensible to ask the question.

I mean.... I think you don't know what you're talking about. Fish spew at HU and play much more conservatively at NL 6max these days. If you were talking about PLO you might have a point. It's just so many times I start a game and a fish sits and 5-20 hands later I doubled up. It's like shooting an already dead fish at the bottom of an empty barrel.


It's like the difference between fighting a grown man or taking a baseball bat to a 5 year old. No contest!


Acting like it's not rapefest for fish..... you lost that argument before it even started bro.

I didn't find the heads up PLO battles to be very good when I was building the tables at micros. Supershort was better and 6-max was the best. The reason is that one has stronger hands the more players there are.

When I played limit holdem, it was just the same grind, heads up or not.

NLH heads up is my worst game and I have trouble with it everywhere and need to work the hardest when I play it, including final tables. I find it more dificult than Spins, 6-max and tourneys and my control over a weak player is less, and my logic and feel needs to work hard. Seems like a reasonable game between most players.

I stopped reading your posts right here, you gotta be Stevie Wonder not to see the effect. Right away just as an observer I could see the effects of the lobby.

Cash games was gutted by HU. Your opinion is not part of reality.

yea do you realize that FTP released HU tables over 10 years ago and your claim that the 6max tables in 2007 were "gutted" because of that is one of the most dumbest things i have heard.

do u even win? starting to think this guy is just some microstakes donk that plays like 5 hours a week...why should this guys opinion have any value at all if that is the case?

Lol good one, thanks for the laugh.

All the sites are "probably LOL" not gonna conspire to get rid of heads up. That being said you will probably always be able to find heads up somewhere!!!! Sorry americans I know you guys are kinda screwed......

LOL just re-read my post and realized theres only 4 legal sites offering heads up......

Maybe I missed it, but what is your explanation on current state of HU and why are to so few sites offering HU?

I love this.

To be honest, we should all be a little scared that more and more sites are gonna get rid of heads up.... I know its crazy, but most people arent battling, to the point where all the sites raised the rake for heads up [out of greed] but also because not alot of people play heads up, or each other...

There is however something to be said for poker sites offering the most game types, heads up , mixed games, sit n gos etc. I dont know just trying to keep this thread alive.....