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04-15-2016 , 04:23 AM
Looking to bet 500cdn on Olivier. Can escrow with reputable member and/or get references from whoever.
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04-15-2016 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
This makes me a bit happier to be on the livb side, Kampmann has legit coaching experience. Comes down to size/strength vs better technique I guess but 20lbs is a lot in MMA if neither guy has a huge skill edge, depends how good livb has gotten in 6 mths compared to Alvardo I guess

Also for the record for the thread I have a $100 sidebet vs Rant and a pending confirmation $100 sidebet vs Grindilocks with my side being Busquet @ evens

Really looking forward to the sweat now that I actually care who wins
There's obviously un-quantifiable variables, as well. I'd be curious to know both of their athletic histories. Raw athleticism is a massive factor in a fight between two non-professionals. Coordination, athletic IQ, quickness, toughness, etc. are oftentimes impossible to "train" into someone over an extended period (if at all), let alone over a few weeks or months.

Whoever the better 'athlete' is has a huge head start. This is a bigger factor than a weight difference of 20 lbs (imo)

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Originally Posted by benjamin barker
weight class makes a big difference ONLY if both fighters are of relative equal skill

a body builder weighing 225 with no MMA training would be at a huge disadvantage against a 185 pound skilled fighter

i don't know anything about jc alvarado, but if it's true he has an MMA background he's going to be at a significant advantage despite the weight
this
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04-15-2016 , 07:59 PM
ALSO...to anyone betting on this... you guys realize this is a 5 to 4 bet, right?

JC posted $150k to Olivier's $120k (according to HSDB)
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04-15-2016 , 09:07 PM
Yes, I realised that, was still happy with evens after Alvardo said he wasn't too happy about having agreed to the weight difference in the pokernews interview.

I think there's a good chance one of them wins very easily when it's basically an amateur fight. The size advantage is known and is a solid weight class and a half which is a lot in MMA, and the skill gap could be anywhere from small to huge given it's not like JC is a UFC champion, but at the same time we have no idea how good Busquet is at all, six months training is not a lot, but clearly given his poker history when he sets his mind to something he is a probably a quick learner given you have to be pretty smart to have the success hes had in poker and he's obviously in good shape physically.

I wouldn't be surprised if Livb knocks him out in 36 seconds or walks into a guillotine but hey it should be fun either way. Who knows, from top position Livb could even submit him given the size/strength advantage.
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04-15-2016 , 09:37 PM
you guys think jc is taking a fight with a guy who has 20lbs on him and putting up more money but still think liv is gonna win? kampman is legit but do you know who is in the pic with JC at the top?
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04-15-2016 , 09:38 PM
of page 13?
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04-15-2016 , 10:29 PM
its not like mighty mouse is gonna be 10 times the effective teacher cause hes a champ

and they cant really spar together
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04-15-2016 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bachelder
Looking to bet 500cdn on Olivier. Can escrow with reputable member and/or get references from whoever.
still looking for action on this/willing to bet at evens?
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04-15-2016 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by greatstate608
you guys think jc is taking a fight with a guy who has 20lbs on him and putting up more money but still think liv is gonna win? kampman is legit but do you know who is in the pic with JC at the top?
If Liv is athletic and dedicated himself for 6 months of training the 20 lbs are a big deal unless JC is very experienced. No idea how much training and experience JC has though.
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04-15-2016 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
its not like mighty mouse is gonna be 10 times the effective teacher cause hes a champ

and they cant really spar together
so then who would you pick as a coach honestly? i really dont know much about this fight or the two people in it at all, just think its funny given the facts how many people are looking for action on liv.

- liv puts out notice hes looking for a taker in a fight
-guy snap accepts and is willing to put up 150 to win 120 even with a 20lb edge.
-liv has never trained mma before this or has any athletic background that anyone knows of.
-JC has supposedly been in and out of mma his whole life. or maybe just bjj
- liv looks super focused(lol) and needs just 6 months of hard training, to knock out JC or submit him from the top. posts roided out photo crowd goes nuts and decides its a no brainer. just lol
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04-16-2016 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by greatstate608
so then who would you pick as a coach honestly? i really dont know much about this fight or the two people in it at all, just think its funny given the facts how many people are looking for action on liv.

- liv puts out notice hes looking for a taker in a fight
-guy snap accepts and is willing to put up 150 to win 120 even with a 20lb edge.
-liv has never trained mma before this or has any athletic background that anyone knows of.
-JC has supposedly been in and out of mma his whole life. or maybe just bjj
- liv looks super focused(lol) and needs just 6 months of hard training, to knock out JC or submit him from the top. posts roided out photo crowd goes nuts and decides its a no brainer. just lol
I'm guessing that's my "focused" quote you keep lolling about? I was judging by the effort he obviously put into working out, not to mention how seriously he takes his poker game. Nobody said anything about a "no brainer", just simple know-nothings speculating on the outcome. With your scary fight knowledge, why aren't you feasting on these guys looking to bet up to 10k on Liv. just lol
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04-16-2016 , 02:18 AM
already said a few times i dont know much about either of these guys, and im def not some mma guru. i do know that looking at a pic of a guy with his shirt off and knowing that he has a good work ethic is not enough info to tell if he is going to win a fight against a guy who we all know has more experience than him. i dont care who wins, i dont know who will win, but some guys in here talking about betting up to 10k based on this info alone is lol. thats all.
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04-16-2016 , 02:26 AM
I got Oliver taking this fight
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04-16-2016 , 02:28 AM
He looks like BEAR JEW from inglorious bastards (photo shops commence)
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04-16-2016 , 03:05 AM
I hate Olivier, but will bet a couple dimes on him if someone wants my action. What's the going rate now +120 Oliv?
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04-16-2016 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
its not like mighty mouse is gonna be 10 times the effective teacher cause hes a champ

and they cant really spar together
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04-16-2016 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
its not like mighty mouse is gonna be 10 times the effective teacher cause hes a champ

and they cant really spar together
Pretty sure it's Matt Hume and the rest of the staff at AMC Pankration who are training JC.

Mighty Mouse is a training partner who JC has sparred with.

See post #96.

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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
The size advantage is known and is a solid weight class and a half which is a lot in MMA, and the skill gap could be anywhere from small to huge given it's not like JC is a UFC champion, but at the same time we have no idea how good Busquet is at all, six months training is not a lot...

...or walks into a guillotine .
Were we talking on the Doug Polk stream the other night? I was saying the same thing.
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04-16-2016 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SleightOfJam
still looking for action on this/willing to bet at evens?
no, but Ill do +120 on Oliv though
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04-16-2016 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by poison_arrow_frog

Were we talking on the Doug Polk stream the other night? I was saying the same thing.
Not me, but I guess pretty common analysis.
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04-16-2016 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SwoopAE
Not me, but I guess pretty common analysis.
Yeah I guess so. You seemed to be favouring Livb earlier in the thread and so was the other guy, thought you may have been the same person.
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04-16-2016 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by poison_arrow_frog
Pretty sure it's Matt Hume and the rest of the staff at AMC Pankration who are training JC.

Mighty Mouse is a training partner who JC has sparred with.
I dont know the specifics but bodytypes cant be too close right?
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04-16-2016 , 10:17 AM
One might think getting punched in the head repeatedly would hurt a poker player's ability to make money.
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04-16-2016 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
I dont know the specifics but bodytypes cant be too close right?
Not unless Livb 5'3". AMC has a lot of amateurs so I don't think you can be too picky about your sparring partners when you're training there.

Maybe they could fly in some other high stakes sit n go HU specialists
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04-16-2016 , 11:53 AM
A KO would truly be amazing to witness on either side,I'm pulling for Liv all the way but I really am hoping for a good fight
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04-16-2016 , 04:18 PM
Is the fight happening tonight?
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