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05-03-2016 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by livb112


I think it was the combination of my size, strength, athleticism and motivation. It was because I thought he was overestimating the relevance of the training he had and because I felt my training was extremely high level. I was holding my own vs extremely tough guys and in a BJJ tournament 4 months in, I beat a guy who had been training 7 years, was a high level blue belt, had had multiple MMA fights and was 200 lbs. That moment was important for me.

I wasn't planning on training that much but after the fight my perspective changed and now I think I will continue to train. I think training without the pressure and anxiety of a big money fight looming makes training seem much more fun and I can't wait to go back to the gym.
Surely this must have been recorded, if it ever took place. Show dem receipts papi!
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05-03-2016 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by littleolli
Hey Livb,

JC is talking about how obsessive he is in several interviews. Don't you think he also overestimated his obsessiveness? If I hear him talk, I get a sense he don't really know what real obsessiveness is I guess he (also) underestimated you on that level and obsessiveness/competitiveness in general.
I really don't know what his sense of "obsessiveness" is but I have every reason to believe that he trained extremely hard and with very good people. My point of view was that I had set up a situation in which the outcome was mostly in my hands; there wasn't much he could do. I simply felt that given the size advantage, my athleticism, my motivation/discipline and my quality of training, I could put myself in a good spot.
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05-03-2016 , 10:10 AM
if instead you had both agreed to weigh in at 165, knowing what you know now, what do you think a fair line would have been?
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05-03-2016 , 10:55 AM
Do you think you had the better game plan going in?

I heard you or someone in your camp say position over submission.
Which I think is really smart. Did you try to keep your fight plan as simple as possible?

Introspect do you wish you had negotiated a closer weight? (same as question above)

Why do you think High-Stakes poker players want to fight each other? You never hear two chess grandmasters deciding to throw down.
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05-03-2016 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Melvin Y.
Beating a high level blue belt after 4 months of training is on level with Chris Weidman or BJ. SELF MADE MAN SELF MADE MAN SELF MADE MAN
I probably should have been more clear about this. This was no-gi BJJ. 100% of my BJJ has been in no-gi for obvious reasons. It was a single 6 minute round. It was the 3rd match for both of us. Half of the round was on our feet trying to gain an advantage going to the ground. I ended up getting him to the ground (with me on top) and was able to advance to half guard. The rest of the round was me maintaining position. I won on points. I think if we had each started from each other's guard, he would've likely beaten me.

During regular BJJ class though, I submitted a 240 lb blue belt multiple times and generally held my own vs the beginner-medium blue belts.
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05-03-2016 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Isn't that pretty much how people like Mark Kerr, Jeff Monson, and Gaby Garcia have won Abu Dhabi (each winning it multiple times)? Just lying on people and maintaining position.
Well yeah, but Mark Kerr was world class wrestler and quick googling says a purple belt in BJJ during ADCC, and Monson and Garcia were maybe less skilled than their opponents, but still BJJ black belts (or close to it back then).

Olivier had been training for 4 months, not even exclusively in BJJ, and his opponent had size advantage over him.
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05-03-2016 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cetacean
Hi Olivier,

I have a question for you about when you were in JC's guard and he was trying to work you into a triangle or armbar. Did you have any, "oh crap!" moments where you were worried he might have caught you or were you pretty confident that your defense was strong enough to fend off his attempts?

(As an aside, I really enjoyed your WSOP commentary a few years back. It was the first really insightful one I remember hearing.)

Thanks!
The only moment where I was unsure where I was at was during the leg lock/heel hook attempt. I knew that the natural impulse is to bend the wrong way, (essentially into the submission) so I was trying not to do that and look for a spot to remove my leg. I wasn't that comfortable though and thought there was a chance I could lose. This actually contributed to my getting tired faster than normal because my adrenaline dumped a bit after I got out of that position.

In terms of his triangles/arm bars, I never really felt in danger. The twins I train with fight at 125/135 but they walk around at around 140-145. They are 20 years old, have been training seriously for 5 years, are purple belts and are incredibly strong for their weight - especially in MMA-specific strength. Even though they are smaller than JC, I thought they would be likely stronger than him and obviously more technical/tougher. Triangles are their favorite move and 3-4 months in, they pretty much stopped going for triangles vs me because I had gotten very good at escaping and then passing. There were even a couple moments vs JC where I was baiting him into going for triangles because I thought it was the easiest way for me to get to side control.
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05-03-2016 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sfcard
Olivier,

Thanks for your sharing your journey.

You mentioned that as your training progressed, you came to view the fight as one of the highest equity spots you would get in your life. The fight seemingly bore that out.

Certainly understand wanting to soak in your victory and defer discussion about a rematch, but from an equity perspective I wonder how much (if anything) you feel you are giving up by doing so? JC doesn't have anything to be ashamed of, but a look at his twitter (e.g., focusing on some purported shots to the back of the head ) and the steroid allegations indicate someone who's trying to create an alternative narrative for himself. The double whammy of getting beat up in front of his peers and having made such a bad bet appears to have been tough to take, and it seems that could be a huge benefit to you in negotiations.
I'm really not thinking too much about a rematch. I think theres a decent chance he will not still want a rematch a few months from now and/or if he does, he'll try for very unreasonable terms. I agree to an extent with your view on narratives but I also think we all create narratives. The key is to try to limit the biases that influence our narratives - something I need to constantly remind myself of and stay cognizant of.

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05-04-2016 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by livb112
The only moment where I was unsure where I was at was during the leg lock/heel hook attempt. I knew that the natural impulse is to bend the wrong way, (essentially into the submission) so I was trying not to do that and look for a spot to remove my leg. I wasn't that comfortable though and thought there was a chance I could lose. This actually contributed to my getting tired faster than normal because my adrenaline dumped a bit after I got out of that position.

In terms of his triangles/arm bars, I never really felt in danger. The twins I train with fight at 125/135 but they walk around at around 140-145. They are 20 years old, have been training seriously for 5 years, are purple belts and are incredibly strong for their weight - especially in MMA-specific strength. Even though they are smaller than JC, I thought they would be likely stronger than him and obviously more technical/tougher. Triangles are their favorite move and 3-4 months in, they pretty much stopped going for triangles vs me because I had gotten very good at escaping and then passing. There were even a couple moments vs JC where I was baiting him into going for triangles because I thought it was the easiest way for me to get to side control.
Did you do any training in leg locks? I'm not sure if JC has ever trained leg locks since that won't be covered in basic BJJ. It was pretty surprising when he went for the heel hook. If you were training for leg locks in MMA/no gi training you should have made a submission prop vs him and train hard for heel hooks/knee bars since I don't think he trains for them.

It's pretty impressive if you are passing legit purple belts guards regardless if they are attempting triangles or not. We're you guys sparring or flow rolling? I liked how you baited JC to go for wild triangle and arm bar attempts to pass
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05-04-2016 , 09:05 AM
Olivier -

What are your thoughts on the first couple of episodes of the 'All In or Knocked Out' documentary?

Has listening to JCs side given you any 'aha' moments, realigned any of your thinking on the entire scope of events?

I, for one, am grateful T Chan and Ross have done this project. If I only had Twitter and NVG to go by I'd have a far different and definitley poisoned perspective.
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05-05-2016 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by the orange crush
all anyone needs to do to be convinced that he took roids is to listen to the joe rogan podcast. One of his guests is the head of usada, the drug testers for mma and other sports. He mentions that there are thousands of supplements that contain steroids that do not say that they have steroids in them. This is a fact. He took steroids and he didn't know that he was doing that. That makes complete sense. People are like he looks like he is on roids and he says he didn't (knowingly) take roids. Both statements are true.
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Originally Posted by brandoncla
This ^

Going on a shopping spree at a GNC can easily get you to that look if you're already advanced and plan to hit it even harder the next 6 months.

Stacking their products essentially simulates steroids without clarifying that you're on steroids. And, there's no doubt highly elevated testosterone levels.

"He's on roids" is such a vague accusation, since most people associate it with some type of black market needle injections, it's more like he's knowingly/unknowingly on a banned legally bought substance that would test positive for ped use in a sport that does testing.


Doesn't take away any of Olivier's hard work or dedication to get to that point though, if that what was agreed to (that you could take anything sold in a GNC store), then that's what JC should have been doing too.
I want to know what these supplements are, im ready to go shopping
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05-05-2016 , 01:11 PM
Let me save you some time and money. The "dood, everything in GNC has steroidzzzzzzzz!" thing is among the more idiotic things I've ever read. "Stacking their products essentially simulates steroids"...um, ok. Barely worth even responding to, but seems like some noobs are taking it semi-seriously, so might as well.

Is it true that SOME supplements have occasionally been tainted, either through facility negligence or manufacturer subterfuge? Yes, in a tiny # of instances. In fact, there are credible rumors that the original Met-Rx formulation did exactly that as they sought to build a market foothold but then changed their formula to remove the juice. Google it. But the idea that GNC shelves are stocked with rows upon rows of steroid-containing products is stupid beyond belief. "Essentially stimulates steroids?" Lawl. The supplement industry is, for the most part, one gigantic scam re: the claims they make vs. what they actually do. Anyone who disagrees has no idea what they're talking about, full stop.
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05-05-2016 , 03:28 PM
^ty. However pre workout thingies, like the original jack3d, craze before dmaa ban was absolutely insane, took weeks to come off aswell when supply dried out. I am one of the plebs that miss that ****.
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05-05-2016 , 03:45 PM
yea preworkout supps you can find ingredients that eventually get banned by FDA
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05-05-2016 , 03:50 PM
There is no ****ing way Busquet is/was on steroids. Lmao at being drugged to death by consuming supplements that contains ''tons of steroids''. To me its clear that he has great genetics for building muscles combined with the fact that he busted his ass preparing for this match.
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05-05-2016 , 05:19 PM
Busquet seems to be ducking Dnegs. What gives?
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05-05-2016 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ChanY
There is no ****ing way Busquet is/was on steroids. Lmao at being drugged to death by consuming supplements that contains ''tons of steroids''. To me its clear that he has great genetics for building muscles combined with the fact that he busted his ass preparing for this match.
Well that settles it. Thanks for clearing that up. A+ analysis.
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05-05-2016 , 08:00 PM
^^^ Notice how everyone is talking about BODY BUILDING supplements/techniques. Goes to prove that the "Bro do you even lift?" training method for an MMA fight is viewed as legit by all these guys. I should be hired as a PR agent.
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05-05-2016 , 08:53 PM
"GNC products simulate steroids."

You know nothing, twoplustwo.
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05-06-2016 , 07:45 AM
Just watched the fight. Busquet can actually fight, and showed solid ground n pound and top control. Alvarado is a joke though. He calls himself a fighter but did not throw a single punch the entire fight, literally not one, just those lame Jon Jones knee kicks. If your too scared to throw a punch don't fkn fight.He deserved the beating he got.
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05-06-2016 , 08:14 AM
JC should have made a weight restriction stipulation on the bet. So stupid to let Olivier get a 30(?) pound advantage on him.
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05-06-2016 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I never once told him what weight division to fight in. I'd recommend focusing more on cardio and less on body building but that's his choice. It's possible he could fight anywhere from 185lbs to 155lbs.





Also, no fighter has ever died from injuries sustained in a UFC fight or UFC exhibition match so stop with the silliness.











Well, Vikings coaches disagree with you and more importantly, I disagree with you. Brock Lesnar's combine #s were comparable to that of uber freak JJ Watt. Keep in mind Lesnar was playing DT while Watt is a DE, making Lesnar's numbers all the more freakish. And of course Brock's numbers were more impressive than Chandler Jones, the guy that is the best athlete in the Jon Jones household.


Didn't the guy Connor McGregor was watching die the other week??"
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05-06-2016 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by downswinger
Didn't the guy Connor McGregor was watching die the other week??"
Correct. There have been a handful of deaths in MMA. However, there has never been a death in the UFC. As the sport continues to gain popularity there will be more deaths and eventually a death in the UFC. Deaths in MMA are fairly rare though (less common in boxing) but there is always some level of risk in a sport like this where one can receive serious trauma to the head.
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05-06-2016 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Correct. There have been a handful of deaths in MMA. However, there has never been a death in the UFC. As the sport continues to gain popularity there will be more deaths and eventually a death in the UFC. Deaths in MMA are fairly rare though (less common in boxing) but there is always some level of risk in a sport like this where one can receive serious trauma to the head.
Yet you want Liv to fight savages as a white belt with no striking and only GNC muscle to protect himself to chase his "dreams". Ok.
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05-06-2016 , 04:17 PM
Lots of white belts have been champions. Olivier just proved that there is a lot more to winning a fight than knowing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. This isn't 1993.
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