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11-05-2013 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mikechike
Crazy spot but is KK a fold?
I doubt McLaughlin could find a fold having knowledge of the hand Farber's 66 vs Trans AQ which got a fold, I know stack sizes are different but still he may open his range a tad to include JJ and AQs

or even without JJ AQ, I can see him also adding extra %s on AK as it's one of the most overplayed hands by weak post-flop players but perhaps i'm wrong there.
11-05-2013 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
I understand what you're saying but they also want to be as comfortable as possible--they could be playing for 10+ hours.
It is better to look fabulous than to feel fabulous.
11-05-2013 , 03:27 PM
Just got done watching what I slept during last night and it's hard to fathom having a problem with either Riess or Farber. Loosli and Tran spewed hard and McLaughlin was fairly aggro so it seems to me they both adjusted perfectly.

But still, #RiessTheBeast.
11-05-2013 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by idlikeadrinkplease
It is better to look fabulous than to feel fabulous.
Gayest post of the week goes to you.
11-05-2013 , 03:33 PM
Farber only sold 20%?

11-05-2013 , 03:33 PM
I mean really Chris... could you have mixed in a stylists or at least a haircut and a shave knowing you were going to introduce the final table on the tenth anniversary of your Main Event win?

tuck in that shirt correctly.. jesus.
11-05-2013 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mikechike
ICM from the KK vs AA spot, #s aren't exact:

Facing the 19mm 5bet, McLaughlin can shove 18mm on top, so it looks like Farber is never (or at least very rarely) folding.

For McLaughlin:

Fold = $4.07mm
Win all-in = $5.8mm
Lose all-in = $1.6mm


So McLaughlin needs about 60% equity on the all-in if we assume Farber is never folding.

If we give Farber every combo of QQ/AK+, McLaughlin still isn't at 60%; we have to give him some JJ or AQ to get there. Crazy spot but is KK a fold?

oh come on... he's not thinking to that level of analysis during the hand. it's simply a cooler, hand over hand... the main issue being that he over valued the second best starting hand. that's a flat in this level of tourni once you've met that level of resistance from your opponent.
11-05-2013 , 03:37 PM
What do you guys think of chopping 2mil and some change of the first and second difference then playing for 1mil+bracelet and glory?
11-05-2013 , 03:51 PM
I honestly wonder if Riess ever legally played online poker. If online poker stays illegal, there will probably be almost no young American poker players in a few years.
11-05-2013 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
[x] With JC Tran having the widest of wide ranges, and his spewing off chips left and right, it was the correct play..
[ ] Is ABC poker.
11-05-2013 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BiiiiigChips
What do you guys think of chopping 2mil and some change of the first and second difference then playing for 1mil+bracelet and glory?
I was thinking exactly this- if I were in this spot, I'd offer exactly that. Playing heads up for 3.2 mil seems unfathomable to me. Of course so does playing for 1 mil, but still.
11-05-2013 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by shoejoe
I honestly wonder if Riess ever legally played online poker. If online poker stays illegal, there will probably be almost no young American poker players in a few years.
From what I've read I think he's played a little online, but most of his experience is live. He dealt at a charity room dean hamrick ran and also was a reg at another charity room in my area.
11-05-2013 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by shoejoe
I honestly wonder if Riess ever legally played online poker. If online poker stays illegal, there will probably be almost no young American poker players in a few years.
never thought about this before

I def don't think there will be very many people grinding there way up through cash games that started playing online poker post bf and aren't very apt at getting setup on non us sites. Not sure if that is the same for similar types of mtt/sng players
11-05-2013 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by idlikeadrinkplease
Lol @ people saying either of these guys winning will be so good for the game. The poker boom is done. Has been for years. There will be no Moneymaker II. Those days are over.
There is a chance if Dan Bilzerian appears there with Jay in helicopter with 100+ bitches,hundreds of litres of alcohol,Jay wins and show the world some of the party, hahah
11-05-2013 , 04:09 PM
Does anyone know if a site that has or will have the WSOP final table hands displayed in an online hand history replayer format so I can review them on my computer whenever I want? Thanks.
11-05-2013 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by buggits30
From what I've read I think he's played a little online, but most of his experience is live. He dealt at a charity room dean hamrick ran and also was a reg at another charity room in my area.
Prior to travelling the world playing chopaments you might have seen him in Detroit's casinos playing 2/5 5/10.. That said from the sounds of it he's probably going to be playing a lot more live MTT's than he has since his first nice score..



To all the people claiming luckbox it's not like Riess pulled a rabbit out of his hat every time he was all in or anything.. I mean to have already been successful on the circuit on more than a few different occasions just goes to show that he's not dumb by any means.. If he really played that bad he never would've made it through these kinds of fields unless Phil gave him some White Magic or something.
11-05-2013 , 04:41 PM
Is there a recording of the live stream anywhere ? thanks !
11-05-2013 , 04:42 PM
For experience, playing tons of hands > than dealing a ton of hands, but as a previous dealer for 3 years I feel like I speak for most dealers/players when I say that dealing all those hands gives someone a different perspective when you get back in the players chair..

That said there can't be anything comparable to the experience he's gained throughout this event and all the others he's played thus far..
11-05-2013 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mikechike
ICM from the KK vs AA spot, #s aren't exact:

Facing the 19mm 5bet, McLaughlin can shove 18mm on top, so it looks like Farber is never (or at least very rarely) folding.

For McLaughlin:

Fold = $4.07mm
Win all-in = $5.8mm
Lose all-in = $1.6mm


So McLaughlin needs about 60% equity on the all-in if we assume Farber is never folding.

If we give Farber every combo of QQ/AK+, McLaughlin still isn't at 60%; we have to give him some JJ or AQ to get there. Crazy spot but is KK a fold?
Man i just would not read his 4b size as pocket aces in that spot given he knows how to 4b small given the 66 hand..
11-05-2013 , 04:44 PM
Who coached Reiss?
11-05-2013 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by xalas
I doubt McLaughlin could find a fold having knowledge of the hand Farber's 66 vs Trans AQ which got a fold, I know stack sizes are different but still he may open his range a tad to include JJ and AQs

or even without JJ AQ, I can see him also adding extra %s on AK as it's one of the most overplayed hands by weak post-flop players but perhaps i'm wrong there.
Not only that but McLaughlin had been playing pretty aggressive in the last few orbits.

Anyway, maybe you can fold KK at home against an uber nit, but could anyone imagine folding it in this context? What if you are wrong? You are the guy who folded KK preflop with 50bb.
11-05-2013 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Into2ndWind
Man i just would not read his 4b size as pocket aces in that spot given he knows how to 4b small given the 66 hand..
The 66 hand probably factored in but stacks to start that hand were Farber 61mm vs Tran 21mm, and most of the table realized Tran was raise/folding way too much in general.

Here it was Farber 55mm vs McL 37mm. Farber could be a sicko who knows he can put max pressure on McL given ICM but he's probably less likely to go nuts for 2/3 of his stack vs 1/3 in the Tran hand.
11-05-2013 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by buddahchild
Prior to travelling the world playing chopaments you might have seen him in Detroit's casinos playing 2/5 5/10.. That said from the sounds of it he's probably going to be playing a lot more live MTT's than he has since his first nice score..



To all the people claiming luckbox it's not like Riess pulled a rabbit out of his hat every time he was all in or anything.. I mean to have already been successful on the circuit on more than a few different occasions just goes to show that he's not dumb by any means.. If he really played that bad he never would've made it through these kinds of fields unless Phil gave him some White Magic or something.
I'm sorry but there is no way Riess was playing 2/5 before his bink at Hammond, he was broke before that. My roommate played with him at a charity room 1/2 game in summer 2012 and ryan told him he had $200 to his name besides what he had on the table.
11-05-2013 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by shoejoe
I honestly wonder if Riess ever legally played online poker. If online poker stays illegal, there will probably be almost no young American poker players in a few years.
I am trying to grind up on online poker rooms in America, and the traffic on the sites is low but you can certainly grind up to midstakes or maybe 2kNL on some sites, I haven't checked out Americas card room but I believe they have traffic up to that level on there. It can be done. I never learned how to play poker until 2011 and never tried real money online till 2012
11-05-2013 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kvnd
I never learned how to play poker until 2011 and never tried real money online till 2012
I hope you did not try LOCK cause I dont really consider that real money anymore!

      
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