PokerStars, 8-Game - $100/$200 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $193927 (970 bb)
RaiseOnce (BB): $11327 (57 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $600, RaiseOnce (BB) 3-bets to $2000, Isildur1 (BU) calls $1400

Flop: ($4000) 5 9 2 (2 players)
RaiseOnce (BB) bets $2400, Isildur1 (BU) calls $2400

Turn: ($8800) 5 (2 players)
RaiseOnce (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $2400, RaiseOnce (BB) raises to $6927 (all-in), Isildur1 (BU) calls $4527

River: ($22654) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $22654 (Rake: $2)

Showdown:
RaiseOnce (BB) shows 3 A (two pair, Aces and Fives)
Isildur1 (BU) shows K K (two pair, Kings and Fives)
RaiseOnce (BB) wins $22652

PokerStars, 8-Game - $100/$200 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Isildur1 (BU): $196123 (981 bb)
RaiseOnce (BB): $60473 (302 bb)

Pre Flop: ($300)
Isildur1 (BU) raises to $600, RaiseOnce (BB) 3-bets to $1800, Isildur1 (BU) 4-bets to $5400, RaiseOnce (BB) calls $3600

Flop: ($10800) J 8 4 (2 players)
RaiseOnce (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $7200, RaiseOnce (BB) calls $7200

Turn: ($25200) 4 (2 players)
RaiseOnce (BB) checks, Isildur1 (BU) bets $10800, RaiseOnce (BB) raises to $23000, Isildur1 (BU) calls $12200

River: ($71200) 3 (2 players)
RaiseOnce (BB) bets $24873 (all-in), Isildur1 (BU) calls $24873

Total pot: $120946 (Rake: $2)

Showdown:
RaiseOnce (BB) shows 4 6 7 J (a full house, Fours full of Jacks)
Isildur1 (BU) shows 9 J K A (a flush, King high)
RaiseOnce (BB) wins $120944

i've always thought the same thing that ben mentioned on joeys podcast about ivey, that he's just practicing online the past few years (knowing he's a dog) and then cleaning up in macau. i wonder how much he's making in those live games.

it seems like the days of him playing as a dog to start and then after a while ending up a big favorite are over. the fact that poker games run around phil ivey would have been completely unbelievable 5 years ago.

Why wouldn't he just play 20/50 against other regs then, no need to be at 200/400 just to sharpen up for Macau... it's Macau

big numbers tho

Baron rungood is real

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 ($10 ante) - 4 players
Rail Hand History Converter

MMAsherdog (UTG): $7011.01 (140 bb)
Eran4444 (BU): $4209.07 (84 bb)
alextrev1111 (SB): $17949.40 (359 bb)
OtB_RedBaron (BB): $10661.80 (213 bb)

Pre Flop: ($115)
2 folds, alextrev1111 (SB) raises to $190, OtB_RedBaron (BB) 3-bets to $547, alextrev1111 (SB) 4-bets to $1500, OtB_RedBaron (BB) 5-bets to $10651.80 (all-in), alextrev1111 (SB) calls $9151.80

First Flop: ($21343.60) J Q 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

First Turn: ($21343.60) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

First River: ($21343.60) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Flop: ($21343.60) 4 3 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second Turn: ($21343.60) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($21343.60) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21343.60 (Rake: $2)

First Showdown: Board: J Q 4 5 8

alextrev1111 (SB) shows K K (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - pre: 81%, flop: 92%, turn: 95%, river: 100%)

OtB_RedBaron (BB) shows 6 6 (a pair of Sixes)
(Equity - pre: 19%, flop: 8%, turn: 5%, river: 0%)

alextrev1111 (SB) wins $10670.80

Second Showdown: Board: 4 3 7 J 5

alextrev1111 (SB) shows K K (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - pre: 81%, flop: 76%, turn: 86%, river: 0%)

OtB_RedBaron (BB) shows 6 6 (a straight, Three to Seven)
(Equity - pre: 19%, flop: 24%, turn: 14%, river: 100%)

OtB_RedBaron (BB) wins $10670.80

You forgetting that Ivey won the Aussie Millions High roller this year for 1.7 Mega. Also he won millions this summer. Probably just practicing is probably correct.

You could ask the same question of all high stakes players.

Hmmm not really, most of them don't have access to those games? And even if they did they're good enough to hold their own at the nosebleeds, Ivey isn't.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 ($10 ante) - 3 players
Rail Hand History Converter

alextrev1111 (BU): $19547.73 (391 bb)
pplo777 (SB): $12143.76 (243 bb)
Trueteller (BB): $13281.50 (266 bb)

Pre Flop: ($105)
alextrev1111 (BU) raises to $143, 1 fold, Trueteller (BB) 3-bets to $700, alextrev1111 (BU) calls $557

Flop: ($1455) 2 5 5 (2 players)
Trueteller (BB) bets $850, alextrev1111 (BU) calls $850

Turn: ($3155) 3 (2 players)
Trueteller (BB) bets $2050, alextrev1111 (BU) calls $2050

River: ($7255) 9 (2 players)
Trueteller (BB) checks, alextrev1111 (BU) bets $5189.75, Trueteller (BB) calls $5189.75

Total pot: $17634.50 (Rake: $2)

Showdown:
alextrev1111 (BU) shows J K (a flush, King high)
Trueteller (BB) mucks
alextrev1111 (BU) wins $17632.50

My comment was referring to the phenomenon of HS players opting to learn new games/sharpen their skills at the highest of stakes instead of doing so at lower stakes..

Yeah they do that because they're taking shots, they don't play with the intention of losing vs a player who has an edge over them, which is what Ivey is supposedly doing, my point being if he actually is doing that he's burning money (don't know if he cares heh).

You're responses to my posts are completely unrelated...

Why?

Remember that you are talking about a guy who is losing millions in a -ev casino games on daily basis, he might be a brilliant poker player, but rationality clearly isn't his strongest suit.

I'm pretty sure playing craps with max odds has more ev than doing flips on an online poker site.(not including tips) Don''t see whats wrong with a little entertainment.

'you could ask the same question of all hs players', what question would that be?

I agree, maybe I misunderstood the first comment about asking the same question of other HS players, but there's no way they'd play nosebleeds for the same reason. I'll just wait for his response.

'Why wouldn't he just play 20/50 against other regs then, no need to be at 200/400 just to sharpen up....'

I hope this helps clarify

Yeah but other regs play higher because they think they may have an edge, right? So it's a slightly different situation.

I think it would be a bit hard to comment on what a reg "thinks", no?

However, there have been many instances where people have jumped into different variants against a sick lineup in which they were a dog. Galfond, Isildur, Sauce for example..

BTW Ivey hasn't actually stated that he plays in these games to sharpen his skills. That was speculation from Ben.

So all these situations are the same.

I know that but my argument was based on the premise being true

Ivey is probably winning in some mixed game line-ups. If he is losing something like 0,5 big bets/100 on average right now that's really not that bad. Even if Ivey thinks he's a dog (we don't even know that), he probably thinks he can improve enough in say 100k hands to become a winner online. I don't rail that much, but he mainly plays 400/800 8game, right? 0,5BB/100 at those stakes over 100k hands is 400k. Even if he remains a loser online, 400k is a "cheap" price to pay if he can improve his win rate even just a tiny bit in huge live cash games. You do the math, it's not even close. On top of that, the NLHE in 8game helps him improve his mtt game. Timex couldn't beat 500z so there's definitely HUGE edges to be had in the early deep stages of super highrollers.

i highly doubt ivey thinks he's a dog and just "practicing" against them lol. he clearly thinks he's the best player in all forms of poker.

A pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this hand
PokerStars Limit Hold'em $1000/$2000 - 2 players

Button Isildur1: $20,480.00
BB Yoghii: $59,438.00

Preflop: (1.50 SB) (2 players)
Isildur1 raises, Yoghii 3-bets, Isildur1 calls

Flop: (6.00 SB) 9 K 6 (2 players)
Yoghii bets, Isildur1 calls

Turn: (4.00 BB) 2 (2 players)
Yoghii bets, Isildur1 raises, Yoghii 3-bets, Isildur1 4-bets, Yoghii calls

River: (12.00 BB) J (2 players)
Yoghii checks, Isildur1 bets, Yoghii folds

Isildur1 collected $23998

(Rake: $2)

So let me get this straight, Isildur sat hacker Ben at 200/400a and Ben said 3handed? Isildur getting some respect.