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11-19-2009 , 04:19 PM

#16726

EddieOB

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Originally Posted by D2D

It's amazing how few 2+2 mebers actually get that. I know this is the railer section, but still, more people got this from the get go on highstakesdb. Of cousre and agro player will have a great red line, but as someone else mentioned his agro style induces a lot of hero calls, and I think he wins as much through those as he duoes by bluffing... therefore what are normaly showdown winnings go to his red line for observers making it look twice as good. Yet I think you're the forst person to notice that, and I was too tilter by the fact that no one brought it up so far for me to post the obvious.

This makes so much moore sense now....I couldn't believe that anyone could just crush the best players non showdown like that. Still a sick graph though....his showdown winnings must be much higher then....maybe his blue line is actually the sick line...they're prob both nice.

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11-19-2009 , 04:23 PM

#16727

Mr Quicksilver

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 727

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Originally Posted by duh

Considering you're asserting something that is contrary to what everybody else believes, and is somewhat of a moonlanding, the relevant question is: Mr. Quicksilver, you got more info?

sorry i dont, im just a bit sceptical. would be nice to get some info from the guys who post the graphs

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11-19-2009 , 04:31 PM

#16728

chob18

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 837

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Originally Posted by EddieOB

wow, mindblowing aha moment for me too

also thanks to Dean, DIH and whoever posted in the last few pages for the insight on HUPLO HS for NL players like me, very much appreciated

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11-19-2009 , 04:33 PM

#16729

Nick Royale

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Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,740

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Originally Posted by Mr Quicksilver

sorry i dont, im just a bit sceptical. would be nice to get some info from the guys who post the graphs

I don't have much to add on the subject, except that if either player shows his hand there is a showdown and it would seem rather farfetched to believe that the hand would count as a non-sd hand.

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11-19-2009 , 04:34 PM

#16730

chicken10der

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Originally Posted by EddieOB

This makes so much moore sense now....

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Originally Posted by chob18

wow, mindblowing aha moment for me too

he's absolutely wrong about what counts as a showdown. it doesn't change anything.

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11-19-2009 , 04:37 PM

#16731

Nick Royale

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EddieOB

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Originally Posted by chob18

wow, mindblowing aha moment for me too

also thanks to Dean, DIH and whoever posted in the last few pages for the insight on HUPLO HS for NL players like me, very much appreciated

People seem to be quick jumping on the bandwagon of no logic around here.

The reason an aggro player has a positive red line is 1) he makes his opponents fold alot and 2) when his bluffs get snapped off the loss goes on the blue line while if he wouldn't have bluffed and instead check/folded it had gone on the red line.

Nothing else.

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11-19-2009 , 04:37 PM

#16732

Harry Redknapp

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 410

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Originally Posted by D2D

Hi D2D. You have been amazing in this thread. Im especially impressed by the 50-60 posts about how bad Isildur actually is in NL, and how insanely hot he is running. I only play midstakes and was...

really impressed by his game.

Id be honoured if you would "come down" to my stakes and take a couple of BIs from me. I'm guessing the learning experience would be awesome. I mean, things like this is just GOLD:

"Isildur is not exactly playing well... just everyone is playing prety bad.. "

Just thinking about your skills makes me see $$$$$ everywhere

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11-19-2009 , 04:44 PM

#16733

Koshur

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,045

ikh, can you explain this hand?

Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

durrrr (BTN/SB): $274495.50
Isildur1 (BB): $596939.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
durrrr raises to $3000, Isildur1 raises to $9000, durrrr raises to $27000, Isildur1 raises to $81000, durrrr calls $54000

Flop: ($162000.00) 3

(2 players)
Isildur1 bets $162000, durrrr raises to $193495.50 all in, Isildur1 calls $31495.50

Turn: ($548991.00) Q

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($548991.00) K

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $548991.00
durrrr shows 8

(two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Isildur1 shows A

(a flush, Ace high)
Isildur1 wins $548990.50
(Rake: $0.50)

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11-19-2009 , 04:46 PM

#16734

Mr Quicksilver

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guys calm down

you post "wrong" and "right" but nobody had something constructive to say (you know, with logical arguments and stuf)

all im saying is, that im sceptical about the red line and it would be cool if one of the graph poster could make a statement.

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11-19-2009 , 04:49 PM

#16735

duh

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I was just posting the graph from another thread.

Redline = opponent folding. Blue line = opponent not folding. So for this graph, durrrr folded away 4.5 million, and broke even when he didn't fold. And yes, that is very, very, very abnormal.
If you need concrete proof, checkout www.pokertracker.com

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11-19-2009 , 04:49 PM

#16736

idiotprimate

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 221

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koshur

(2 players)
Isildur1 bets $162000, durrrr raises to $193495.50 all in, Isildur1 calls $31495.50

Turn: ($548991.00) Q

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($548991.00) K

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $548991.00
durrrr shows 8

(two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Isildur1 shows A

(a flush, Ace high)
Isildur1 wins $548990.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Durrr knows Isildur has AA. durrr calls PF hoping to hit a gin flop where he will win all the maney or a mediocre flop where he will be in a 60/40. hits a mediocre flop wheres hes pot committed. maney goes in. /hand

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11-19-2009 , 04:50 PM

#16737

PartyGirlUK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koshur

(2 players)
Isildur1 bets $162000, durrrr raises to $193495.50 all in, Isildur1 calls $31495.50

Turn: ($548991.00) Q

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($548991.00) K

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $548991.00
durrrr shows 8

(two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Isildur1 shows A

(a flush, Ace high)
Isildur1 wins $548990.50
(Rake: $0.50)

That hand is pretty standard ......

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11-19-2009 , 04:53 PM

#16738

Nick Royale

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Originally Posted by Mr Quicksilver

guys calm down

You know the graph poster just imports hands into HEM like anyone else.

What other logic do we need to use other than saying that hands that go to showdown counts as hands that go to showdown?

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11-19-2009 , 04:53 PM

#16739

prescottburgess

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 672

so when does isildur usually sign on?

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11-19-2009 , 04:53 PM

#16740

BlackDespair

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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK

That hand is pretty standard ......

what equity does he have there with 1 pair, no backdoordraws?

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11-19-2009 , 04:53 PM

#16741

ikh

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by idiotprimate

that's that, durrrr is 34,15% on that flop against isildur's backdoor hearts and nine blocker, it really isn't possible for him to run into much worse and though he's never ahead in that spot, gotta shove, man has killer pot odds!

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11-19-2009 , 04:56 PM

#16742

Mr Quicksilver

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Quote:

Originally Posted by duh

thats doesnt explain anything since these trackers are for your own played hands where you see the hand of your opponent always at sd but thanks for the link O_o

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11-19-2009 , 04:58 PM

#16743

52301

formerly 'i***ladyluck'

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 321

Quote:

Originally Posted by idiotprimate

[] isildur only 4bets with aa
[] 60/40
[] committed
[] standard

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11-19-2009 , 05:01 PM

#16744

ikh

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ifckladyluck

[x] isildur 5bets with 95% aa/kk, never has a hand that flops a set or two pair on Q73 or dominates durrrr's two pair outs
[x] committed
[x] standard

yes

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11-19-2009 , 05:01 PM

#16745

johndoes

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 328

Quote:

Originally Posted by ifckladyluck

[] isildur only 4bets with aa
[] 60/40
[] committed
[] standard

[ ] 4bet

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11-19-2009 , 05:03 PM

#16746

Texas_Oldham

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,947

Quote:

Originally Posted by ifckladyluck

[] isildur only 4bets with aa
[] 60/40
[] committed
[] standard

Wrong.

[x] Standard.

How can he fold with the equity he has, plus fold equity, plus odds he's got?

Go learn some PLO then come back and dump on people when you know what you're talking about.

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11-19-2009 , 05:03 PM

#16747

duh

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,741

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Quicksilver

thats doesnt explain anything since these trackers are for your own played hands where you see the hand of your opponent always at sd but thanks for the link O_o

you don't need to know anybody's hole cards to know if a player folded before the river or not. that's what this all boils down to.

and no, these trackers are not just for your own played hands. observed hands are fully supported.