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11-11-2009 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Cool MoFo
so fishy call on turn... God durrr plays bad sometimes.
Where pot odds take into consideration the money that's in the pot right now, implied odds is an estimation on how much money you CAN win from the bet if you hit one of your outs. For instance, with 100 in the pot, and a bet of 20, is your gain really only 100 if you win? Can you really not squeeze out an extra few bucks from your opponent if you hit your flush? You probably can - and so as the pot will get bigger, your implied odds go up.

A good example of when implied odds in poker come into play is when you limp in with a small or medium pair before the flop in hold 'em. Your chance of hitting a set (which is typically the only way a small or medium pair will win) is around 7.5-1, which means that pot needs to have 6 or 7 other limpers to make it worthwhile. But, of course, that's presuming that everyone will fold if you hit your set, which is rarely the case. Let's say instead that you get four other limpers and your bets will narrow the field down by 50% on the flop, and another 50% on the turn - what are your implied odds?

Four limpers to the flop = 4 SB.
Two callers to the turn = 2 SB.
One caller to the river = 1BB = 2 SB.

Here, you stand to win 8 small bets, at the initial price of 1, which gives your call positive expectation. By this count, your implied odds are good to make this pre-flop call with a weak pair because of the money you'll figure to win if you do hit your set, rather than the amount you're "guaranteed" to win.

Here's the downside to implied odds in poker though: They're an estimation, and as it so happens, people tend to be way too optimistic in calculating them.

For instance:
K♥ 7♦
On a board with:
Q♥ 9♣ 8♥ A♥

gives you 9 outs to a flush, which is a 4-1 shot. Now let's say that there were only two of you in the pot, one limper and you in the BB. Flop was checked around, and he bet at the turn after you checked, the pot would be about 2BB. You're paying 2-1 to see the last card, which could give you the nut flush - but do you call? Pot odds say no. Implied odds likely don't give you the numbers you're looking for either, but this is where people get overoptimistic!

If your opponent paired his ace and has no hearts, would he really bet into a four-suited board after the river? Would he call your bet? Probably not. You can hardly figure to win more than the money that's already in the pot at the turn, because if you make your hand on the river, he's not going to pay you enough. Even if he calls an extra bet on the river (maybe he has the J♥), you're still not getting good enough odds. At that point, your call on the turn will have cost you 1BB, and you're looking at a profit of 3BB, which gives you 3-1. You'll have to successfully checkraise him (and he has to call your checkraise) for it to be near profitable, and you have to succeed at that every time that you hit your flush. Hardly likely.

I know some players who think this is mathematical mumbo-jumbo and has no place in a gambler's heart, but this is really the principle that separates winning players from losing players: Being able to tell a profitable bet from a non-profitable one. In the example above, there's a non-profitable bet being offered. Don't take it. Learn your poker pot odds and implied odds thoroughly so you know which choice is the right choice.
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11-11-2009 , 06:45 AM
durrrr won $450k from ziigy in plo

and now durrrr is up $360k against isildur, top point for durrrr in tonights sessions were +$1.7M
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11-11-2009 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by krtek
Isidur's biggest leak seems to be the huge implied odds he gives to Durrrr. When durrrr hits 2 pair/flush, Isildur seems to not care and shove anyways.
yeah, pretty much this...
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11-11-2009 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Flonko
lol, betting turn there is not a good line.
Yes, it is.
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11-11-2009 , 06:46 AM
Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Isildur1 (BTN/SB): $850034.50
durrrr (BB): $147462.50

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
Isildur1 raises to $3000, durrrr raises to $10000, Isildur1 calls $7000

Flop: ($20000.00) 5 Q 8 (2 players)
durrrr bets $15400, Isildur1 raises to $43800, durrrr raises to $137462.50 all in, Isildur1 calls $93662.50

Turn: ($294925.00) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($294925.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $294925.00
Isildur1 shows 9 7 (a straight, Nine high)
durrrr shows A Q (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Isildur1 wins $294924.50
(Rake: $0.50)
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11-11-2009 , 06:46 AM
ok, so fishing flush on turn when the board is paired for 100k is nice play then...
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11-11-2009 , 06:46 AM
i know i know, holy lurker...

I've sifted through like eleventy billion rumors of who this is romping durrr... any credence to the possibilities it might be fullflush?
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11-11-2009 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cool MoFo
ok, so fishing flush on turn when the board is paired for 100k is nice play then...
Have you ever played HU?
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11-11-2009 , 06:47 AM
I've poersonally never seen someone with over 3 million at an online table before.
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11-11-2009 , 06:47 AM
Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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durrrr (BTN/SB): $568092.00
Isildur1 (BB): $86500.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
durrrr raises to $3000, Isildur1 calls $2000

Flop: ($6000.00) 2 8 A (2 players)
Isildur1 checks, durrrr checks

Turn: ($6000.00) T (2 players)
Isildur1 bets $5000, durrrr raises to $26600, Isildur1 calls $21600

River: ($59200.00) 9 (2 players)
Isildur1 checks, durrrr bets $538492 all in, Isildur1 calls $56900 all in

Final Pot: $173000.00
durrrr shows J A (a pair of Aces)
Isildur1 shows A 9 (two pair, Aces and Nines)
Isildur1 wins $172999.50
(Rake: $0.50)
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11-11-2009 , 06:47 AM
woho. back! crazy action
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11-11-2009 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cool MoFo
ok, so fishing flush on turn when the board is paired for 100k is nice play then...
folding top pair + flush draw to a psycho

great plan
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11-11-2009 , 06:48 AM
forget 2m2mm, this is gonna be 2tables2mm. isildur has SICK stacks
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11-11-2009 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Discipline
Where pot odds take into consideration the money that's in the pot right now, implied odds is an estimation on how much money ....
you wrote that in 4 minutes?
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11-11-2009 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Cool MoFo
ok, so fishing flush on turn when the board is paired for 100k is nice play then...
he has top pair too
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11-11-2009 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ivvaen
LOL thats hilarious..graduating from master of commerce...you?
Finishing up a Mechanical Engineering degree.

Do you play any poker at either of the casinos here? I convinced myself to quit online during semester but end up at Treasury every Tuesday to pull some money from the old regs.

And actually on topic to thread: sick T4s
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11-11-2009 , 06:49 AM
Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Isildur1 (BTN/SB): $925553.50
durrrr (BB): $108499.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
Isildur1 raises to $3000, durrrr calls $2000

Flop: ($6000.00) 8 2 3 (2 players)
durrrr checks, Isildur1 bets $5000, durrrr raises to $16400, Isildur1 raises to $32000, durrrr raises to $105499 all in, Isildur1 calls $73499

Turn: ($216998.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($216998.00) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $216998.00
Isildur1 shows 8 K (two pair, Eights and Twos)
durrrr shows 9 9 (two pair, Nines and Twos)
durrrr wins $216997.50
(Rake: $0.50)
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11-11-2009 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TuckFard
you wrote that in 4 minutes?
haha no, i googled "implied odds" and copied/pasted the first article that came up for funnytime
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11-11-2009 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
I've poersonally never seen someone with over 3 million at an online table before.
Lol, i've seen Galfond have a million twice in a week vs Gus.
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11-11-2009 , 06:50 AM
Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Isildur1 (BTN/SB): $1003495.50
durrrr (BB): $100000.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
Isildur1 raises to $3000, durrrr raises to $9000, Isildur1 calls $6000

Flop: ($18000.00) 6 6 6 (2 players)
durrrr bets $9600, Isildur1 raises to $27800, durrrr calls $18200

Turn: ($73600.00) 9 (2 players)
durrrr checks, Isildur1 bets $18400, durrrr calls $18400

River: ($110400.00) A (2 players)
durrrr bets $44800 all in, Isildur1 folds

Final Pot: $110400.00
durrrr wins $110399.50
(Rake: $0.50)
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11-11-2009 , 06:51 AM
what's the score for the 3rd day?
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11-11-2009 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by krtek
Lol, i've seen Galfond have a million twice in a week vs Gus.
gg moron he said 3 million
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11-11-2009 , 06:52 AM
Holding out for three $1m stacks...
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11-11-2009 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by wtfm8
gg moron he said 3 million
who has 3 mirrion on one table?
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11-11-2009 , 06:53 AM
Top pair plus flush draw against an over aggro player that loves to bluff plus will value bet a lot of worse hands, plus the odds to call and the flush outs and the two tens, it looks like a call to me.
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