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Old 03-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #1
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Negreanu & Esfandiari involved in cult?

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Turns out Choice Center Las Vegas wasn’t for me. For starters, Choice Center Las Vegas is BBB rated F which usually means it’s a scam of some sort. IMO it’s pretty much a poor-man’s Scientology. Daniel is Tom Cruise and Antonio is John Travolta.
Any new-age rubbish gets a fairly wide scepticism from me but this has smelt of Scientology-style cult behaviour strongly and it turns out I'm not alone in thinking that. If the rumours in the linked article are true (especially that he's now dating someone from CCLV) it sounds like Daniel is in pretty deep.

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Old 03-04-2013, 09:18 AM   #2
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Re: Negreanu & Esfandiari involved in cult?

Most interesting part of it for me was him missing NBC heads up for attending the next level of his 'training.'
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:18 AM   #3
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Does it matter?

If they aren't harming anyone, then who cares?
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:21 AM   #4
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well he did fall for those hologram stickers.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:22 AM   #5
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Most interesting part of it for me was him missing NBC heads up for attending the next level of his 'training.'
Agreed. More worrying is that he explained it as having an arrangement with 'friends'

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Does it matter?

If they aren't harming anyone, then who cares?
At the most benign these things are set up purely to make large amounts of money. This doesn't matter for Negreanu or Esfandiari but their celebrity status is likely to inspire people who can't well afford it to join up (see aforementioned Cruise/Travolta for parallels)

At worst they're like Scientology, which has murders, kidnappings, forced abortions and massive control of its members on its rap sheet.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:27 AM   #6
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They're free to do whatever they want and you could make a case for natural selection because if anyone is dumb enough to join them and ruin their lives they kind of deserve it; personally, I don't like that extremist mindset and think people should call them out on their bull****.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:32 AM   #7
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It's worrying if they have any kind of dirt on him. IMO the only reason why Tom Cruise is still lapping up the Scientology is they know big, career-ending (or potentially embarrassing) secrets about him and if he makes waves then he is probably finished, career-wise.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:33 AM   #8
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They're free to do whatever they want and you could make a case for natural selection because if anyone is dumb enough to join them and ruin their lives they kind of deserve it; personally, I don't like that extremist mindset and think people should call them out on their bull****.
No question for me - I have no desire to see scam artists run rampant in our community whether in the form of player-to-player scams or cults with poker celebrity backing.

At the end of the day we can take the piss out of people who fall for this but the entire presentation, from "Leadership University" branding to endorsements to "charity status" is designed to mislead and cloak their true intentions. It shouldn't come as a surprise or be chalked to stupidity that some people fall for it - that's the whole point, after all.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:37 AM   #9
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Was expecting photoshop thread, left disappointed
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:37 AM   #10
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LOL donkaments.

No, really. You have to be pretty stupid to fall for this kind of stuff.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:40 AM   #11
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d negs doesnt surprise me, but i figured antonio was a little more street smart than this
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:44 AM   #12
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They're free to do whatever they want and you could make a case for natural selection because if anyone is dumb enough to join them and ruin their lives they kind of deserve it; personally, I don't like that extremist mindset and think people should call them out on their bull****.
Daniel and Antonio are perfect targets for groups like that rich well known people. Same with Scientology getting Cruice and Travolta. Strange if true that someone like Daniel gets fooled into something like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R_mLFXDdCM
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:09 AM   #13
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:12 AM   #14
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Any new-age rubbish gets a fairly wide scepticism from me but this has smelt of Scientology-style cult behaviour strongly and it turns out I'm not alone in thinking that. If the rumours in the linked article are true (especially that he's now dating someone from CCLV) it sounds like Daniel is in pretty deep.
I don't know if it runs as deep as scientology, it doesn't look like the deep infrastructure that that cult does. Reminds me of Landmark.

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Old 03-04-2013, 10:29 AM   #15
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I think I saw him selling flowers at airport . now we know why he shaved his head. hes and the magician on front page of there wbsite . congrats d-neg your lv127 whatever that means.

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Old 03-04-2013, 10:40 AM   #16
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Re: Negreanu & Esfandiari involved in cult?

You would think that before joining any club, organization, or even restaurant, one would do a simple google search or yelp review before going.

It is 2013, amirite?
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:42 AM   #17
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Re: Negreanu & Esfandiari involved in cult?

first thing that comes up when you google that place is cult
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:42 AM   #18
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Crude but dang if I don't like it

And yeah, seriously, it takes 2 minutes and the right search term to Google.

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I don't know if it runs as deep as scientology, it doesn't look like the deep infrastructure that that cult does. Reminds me of Landmark.
Yeah, it's definitely not going to be involved in as much shady **** as Scientology but it has a very similar "more money = higher in cult" structure.
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:50 AM   #19
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How do they manage to brainwash seemingly intelligent guys like this?
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:00 AM   #20
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Re: Negreanu & Esfandiari involved in cult?

I know alot of people will probably disagree with me but this doesn't seem like a cult at all. I think it's just pretty cutting edge and alot of people are just not willing to accept it. IMO kudos to daniel and antonio for forgoing people's judgements and instead trying to fight the good fight. Keep it up guys and keep doing what makes you happy.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:06 AM   #21
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Re: Negreanu & Esfandiari involved in cult?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlb-NEz8M8I

Negreanu at the back in a purple shirt w/ a tie on? Not seen much of him with his shaved-head look but it looks like what a shaved-head Negreanu with a bushier beard than normal would look like. Some clear-ish spots are at 3:54, 4:11, 4:42, 7:34
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:06 AM   #22
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I know alot of people will probably disagree with me but this doesn't seem like a cult at all. I think it's just pretty cutting edge and alot of people are just not willing to accept it. IMO kudos to daniel and antonio for forgoing people's judgements and instead trying to fight the good fight. Keep it up guys and keep doing what makes you happy.
If you read the article I quoted it goes down a checklist of what constitutes an LGAT-style cult and this thing ticks basically every single box.

It's this kind of thinking that gets people suckered in.

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Negreanu at the back in a purple shirt w/ a tie on? Not seen much of him with his shaved-head look but it looks like what a shaved-head Negreanu with a bushier beard than normal would look like. Some clear-ish spots are at 3:54, 4:11, 4:42, 7:34
Definitely not.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:11 AM   #23
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:14 AM   #24
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Re: Negreanu & Esfandiari involved in cult?

Looks like this is a rebranded Lifespring. John Hanley, founder of Lifespring, now coaches with Choice Center.

Apparently Lifespring caught a bunch of lawsuits for causing mental damages and deaths of its members, so they closed up shop. But you can always get a fresh start with a new name!
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:16 AM   #25
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Looks like this is a rebranded Lifespring. John Hanley, founder of Lifespring, now coaches with Choice Center.

Apparently Lifespring caught a bunch of lawsuits for causing mental damages and deaths of its members, so they closed up shop. But you can always get a fresh start with a new name!
Cheers for the link. The wiki article doesn't seem to explicitly link CC and Lifespring but that Lifespring's founder coaches with CC is pretty damning.
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