needs the money to buy more pies imo

Some people in NVG truly are pathetic. I'm not saying pathetic just for the sake of the insult like most people do when they want to shut someone down, but like, actually...pathetic.

Fair enough for some people who are arguing against Rizen, and some people have good arguments and have presented them well.

But LOL @ 2+2ers here who somehow think they have better morals than Erik because they weren't offered a place by UB and have NO ****ING IDEA what it's like to be in his position. And lol @ the 'just because you'd accept the deal, doesn't mean we would'. If there was ever a way to prove this, I would take out a loan for as much money as I could and bet it that 95% + people who posted in this thread would take on a sponsorship by UB that involved a very large sum of money.

I'm not even saying what he did was a good, or the 'right' decision, as it's impossible for us to draw a conclusion on what was given how little we know. Has anyone here spoken to new management on UB? Anyone even know how much its for? No. You pricks don't accept that somehow there could be more to the situation than you know, or maybe even that he could actually believe what he says.

AND LOL @ PEOPLE PATHETIC ENOUGH TO COME IN HERE AND RESORT TO CALLING HIM FAT. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?? seriously thats the thing that's probably the most pathetic about some of the replies in this thread.

To all those people, guess what? Erik is a better poker player than you will ever be. Thanks to UB, he's prob richer than you'll ever be. If he's fat, so what? Maybe hes happy that way, maybe he can change it. Either way hes better off than most people here, most of whom are just bustoooo and hating on him to make themselves feel better and because everyone else on 2+2 does.

I'd love to see how many 'strong' opinions posted in these arguments are actually the true opinion of the poster, and how much of it is due to the 'circle jerk' mentality.

p.s. Bakes, nice way to defend your self on someone pointing out that you'd be a sellout too, 'QFBLOWMEDOUCHE' really proves that you, in fact, would not take the deal.

p.p.s. whoever compared eating meat to murdering people..........LOL!

Thats the point, it's the SAME ownership!!


You must be proud of your son.

PS: fwiw calling him fat is pretty stupid.

No but they sure are more than welcome to come hear and tell us what has changed with this so called NEW management, infact they have never showed up in a thread to explain anything. Just more cover ups and useless press releases that explain nothing.

Really I thought it was the same management, but I don't even care, that's not my point. Even if it's the same owners/managers or whatever, there's bound to be more to Erik's decision than NVGtards here know, even if its nothing to do with UB and all to do with his personal life. I'm not making any comments on whether he made the right decision, I'm saying people here are pathetic and ******ed.

Its 2am here so I don't get the son comment (tired)

from his site. I said management, not ownership. Regardless of that though, has anyone spoken to ANY official or decision maker in UB that Erik has? I submit that no one has. The whole ownership/management debate or whatever isnt my argument

also i wonder what the responses here would be like if it was durrr who signed to UB and said the exact same things as Rizen.

Just to clarify - your argument is that Lynch, through talking to the people at UB, has gotten secret information that proves the current management completly innocent, honest and fair but that this same information can not be disclosed to anyone but the pros they sign?

The "son" somment was because your post sounded like his momma wrote it. And the recent "disclosure" on 2+2 pokercast by UB MANAGEMENT that a non-disclosure amnesty deal was given to the guilty party tells us that the guy probably has enough dirt on UB that they are scared to death that he will talk.

I almost got taken to the cleaners by AP, so imho I have a right to fuss about any Tokwiro site.



PS: If it were Durrrr or David Sklansky, my response would be the same.

No, not at all. First of all I wasn't arguing anything to do with specifically new management, I was arguing that in general there could be so much more to his decision than we can see but no one seems to acknowledge that and just respect his decision (flame time).

BUT in reply to your post I don't think that he has access to top secret information or anything, but I do think it's very possible that he has spoken to powerful/high up people at UB and has been convinced that they are doing what they can to restore their reputation.

I mean, how do we know the head security guy at UB isn't actually honest and fair, but the other decisions were coming from people above him, the old MANAGEMENT??? If that were true then maybe new management is making new decisions.

I mean dude I'm not arguing the actual topic either way and I actually think its unlikely that UB has changed that much. Just saying there's alot we might not know that could influence his decision.

Surely you can agree that most posts in this thread are hypocritical/irrelevant/highly immature (mainly in respect to calling him fat)

Yeah crudefinger I'm not arguing against you at all really, I just got really frustrated at the fact that most of these posts are silly and most people, unlike you obv, haven't been scammed by AP (i assume this because most people here wouldn't have the roll to play stakes high enough to get ripped off). I also don't doubt your response would be similar if it was Durrr, i don't view you as a circle jerker.

Just a random thought though, if it was the new management who made this disclosure, does the 'guilty party' having dirt on them mean anything? I mean if all the dirt was related to old management, it's still massively +EV for new management to reimburse guilty parties for the reputation of UB.

rofl @ "crudefinger", I think I'll chnge my sig!

Jeez Smokey you need a new hobby man.

I'm sure you're right, but while they may have convinced Eric, that's no reason everyone else should be convinced. Basically, he's been talking to people whose job it is to talk to people and convince them of their point. I can't really comment on wether or not he's experienced enough to seperate honest from dishonest from such people, but what I do know is that they can be very convincing.

The problem is that the cheating took place under the NEW management. That means either one of two things - they're either involved in the cheating or they're highly incompetent. Either way, I don't see why Rizen or anyone else would be dealing with them.

Best case scenario for UB is that they took over a company and didn't even bother/mange to check their code (the security of which should be their bread and butter) for what must've been a pretty obvious security flaw. Remember, UBs story isn't just that these accounts could see other hole-cards, but that they had access to bypass *all* security to be able to operate and withdraw undetected.

The namecalling and people raging madly against him is of course stupid no matter what side of the argument you're on.

For the record - I'm more puzzled than upset. I just can't understand why any reasonably reputable pro would involve themselves with AP/UB at this point. I just can't believe Lynch (and certainly not Josephy) is doing this with money as their main motivating factor.

Exactly the same.

One can certainly understand the financial motivations that might have driven Rizen to sign with a company like this, but the overwhelmingly negative response to his signing is just as understandable.

mmm if the cheating happened under new management then fair enough, i dont know much about this whole issue but i dont pretend to, i was just ripping on NVGtards.

And lol @ me needing a new hobby, ive prob posted more in NVG in the last two days than I ever have before. OBV raging at NVG > studying for maths exam tomorrow

Hello, I'm nineinchal, I signed onto playing at pokerstars.com.

I get no compensation for signing. I just get good enjoyment out of playing there, since its a fair game.

One of the reasons that durrrr is so respected is that he wouldnt sign with a site like UB and that he values his name and reputation.

I agree with you that personal insults arent required, but you should stop feeding people the party line of "new management" - if there is new management and new structure and the people involved have nothing to do with the site then great, but come prove it, dont give vague references and expect people to buy it as fast as a fat kid in a cake sale.

Please die then troll if you have no knowledge of the situation and just came here to troll people for no reason.

Its not often i call for someone to be banned, but you clearly deserve it.

hehehe i like the fat kid comment.

but seriously I wasn't expecting anyone to 'buy it', i didn't even buy it myself. I was using it as an EXAMPLE of something that COULD be true, and it could actually be a major factor in lynch's decision. I'm not actually arguing any specifics except that there's more to the eye so to speak. FWIW i think you and minusev are among the most reasonable in the thread, i just think you missed the point of all my posts.

Also is durrr that respected for his ethics (i think thats what youre implying there) or valuing his reputation? I mean does he ever post in threads like this and give an opinion, or say he wouldn't sign? I thought he was mainly respected for being an amazing poker player

Ok i take back that youre reasonable. It's obviously not for no reason, it's because people weren't taking into consideration they don't know the whole picture.

I mean SERIOUSLY? How can you say for no reason when Ive said like 10 times i'm actually arguing a point. So what if it's focused on the reasons people are berating Erik and not about the specifics of the AP situation.

Actually come to think of it I think my argument is more relevant to this thread than specifics of the AP scandal or new management, because this thread is all about people not believing his reasoning for joining and saying he is purely a 'sellout'

edit: i realise my post you quoted makes it sound like im just trolling but im not. i think if youd read all my other posts then youd have realised that

Location: high as a kite

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I had more respect for Rizen.

Durrr hasn't been around long enough to show that is not the duck that randomly flew in the right direction and landed in the right pond and then started taking credit for the ponds existence.

That said Durrr didn't sign with UB. Bax and Risen did.

My respect meter swings to Durrr.

I would consider Durrr an idiot too if he sighned with UB.

Eric posted on his blog today that he backed out of his deal with UB. No details on why, guess he came to a realization that UB sucks?

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