There is a gripe in the way police have been conducting business and that is part of the enforcement so I would say that people have a right to gripe. I have a gripe where officers have beaten or killed many people causing giant lawsuits. I believe it should come out of the cops salary and not the tax payers. Why should the people be punished for the cops action? Part of the problem is the cops have too much leeway in their so called investigations. I mean the no knock policy is questionable. I mean the investigation can be short and a no knock warrant will be granted.

The bible says that raked poker games are illegal.

/thread.

You pointed out one of the two problems with this. State laws are pretty ruthless in a lot of states and the confiscations will continue.

The other problem is that Eric Holder isn't going to be the AG much longer. His likely successor, Loretta Lynch, is wildly in favor of asset forfeiture and will undo Holder's action. Lynch recently announced that her office seized over $904 million in asset forfeitures – in 2013 alone.

Her stance on asset forfeitures is one of the main things holding up her nomination, but a few people recently caved and it looks like she's be the next AG.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/11/lo...feitures-2013/

I strongly disagree with everything in the above quote. First of all, I believe they took the money because they wanted to steal it. I also don't believe that police (or anyone else for that matter) are legally permitted to steal.
Said another way- the police are not above the law.

So the police robbed a poker game to protect the players from someone else robbing it? Based on that logic, why don't the police rob private homes as private homes are often robbed?
In your judgment if the police robbed private homes would they be 'operating within the law'?

In my opinion, the police did steal. To make the argument that they weren't stealing based upon the fact that they didn't have masks is extremely bizarre to me. Since when are masks and lack of the paperwork the barometers of whether or not theft occurred?

Bingo.

Nope. Assuming what you say could be proven (even though we both know it couldn't), the commonwealth would have to call every single person that resides in the state as a witness AND they would all need to have 1st hand knowledge that what you are saying is true.

All three are immoral: the police, the law, and the system. Sure, the police are just doing their jobs. I guarantee you that half or more of them who showed up for the raid don't agree with it, and that's not what they signed up for when they became police officers. But if they refuse to take part in the raid they will lose their jobs. However, they still have a responsibility to their own convictions. This is why I couldn't be a police officer, because I'd be forced to do things that I disagree with on principle.

We all know the law prohibits the home poker game (in my state it doesn't even have to be raked. If any bet or pot is more than $10, then it's illegal). But sometimes laws are immoral, and this is one of those times. There are other ridiculous laws on the books that police departments choose not to enforce. In many states, it's illegal for a man and woman to cohabitate if they are not married. But no police force enforces that ridiculous law nowadays.

So yes, I'm outraged. I know this happens, and it's standard, and it's the law, but I'm outraged that there is a law that bans people from making their own decisions about what to do with their own time and money. Especially when there are other actual real crimes that the police should be spending their time on.

It's immoral through and through.

"Legal" and "moral" are not synonymous. ... except for lemmings.

El oh el. And the court doesn't have jurisdiction anyway because they display a flag with fringe on it, and that makes them legally an admiralty court, right?

Seriously OP, just stop pretending that you know anything about the law. If you don't like the law, work to get it changed, but stop covering your ears and thinking that yelling "la la la la I can't hear you" makes it go away.

It's pretty common sense that the truth cannot be established without witnesses. I'm pretty sure this isn't a revolutionary opinion, either.

Even with witnesses you might not establish truth. But if everyone was truthful justice would be easier wouldn't it?

Has anyone beside OP confirmed that this actually happened? Usually when these things happen there will be some media coverage but I couldn't find any.

At this point I really feel that OP is just trolling because he's all alone on Easter and has no one to talk to.

Yeh I was being fecetious lol to us that premise may be obvious but not everyone itt agrees.
Let the government laws decide morality for us, they certainly know whats best! /s

I don't troll and I don't appreciate the accusation.

So you're just really really stupid? I was trying to give you the benefit in that no way you're as stupid as you seem but if you aren't trolling then.......

This money that they took is a lot of time used for perks and stuff for the police department. It sucks and getting the money back is a pain. In some areas it will be returned after 30 days. Other times you need a lawyer and then you end up losing some of your money to pay the lawyer.

That law that bans commercial poker games is not there to protect players.(Once you take rake that is considered a commercial game. That is a gambling establishment without a license.) That law is there to protect tax interest. Not anything else and to stop people from profiting from gambling. The state does not like competition.

No, actually you do and you are.

I'm sorry but from reading this thread it is obvious to me that you're just not a very smart person despite your frantic attempts to claim otherwise. Please stop. This topic and your pseudo intellectual legal ramblings are dull and laborious.

I'm just not a very smart person, huh?

I actually don't think OP is trolling. I think he's just outrageously dumb.

Exactly. There is no public interest whatsoever, so the raid was done entirely on pretense. The way of the world? Yes, but that does not make it right.

Well you stated there was rake taken right? If that is true then the bolded cannot be true. The law may not be right and the actions the cops took may not be right. However, they saw a big pot and they took it down sorta speak. Guess the cops like poker too.

Conclusion I came to as well and decided to stop getting him to see the obvious

nascent, you have no idea WTF you're talking about. Watching you try to argue this is painful beyond the reach of over the counter medication.

Theft: it's ok when the police do it, but not ok for anyone else to do it.

Even referring to it as a "home game" in the thread title is outrageously dumb.