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Most exciting final hand in EPT main event history?  Malec takes down EPT 13 Barcelona Most exciting final hand in EPT main event history?  Malec takes down EPT 13 Barcelona

08-29-2016 , 06:56 PM
EPT Live English version of the hand at 47:20 here:

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08-29-2016 , 10:59 PM
Well it is a straight versus nut flush HU. Interesting and probably good play to push even though the board paired. Malec's behavior may be a tell, as some people would be less animated when bluffing.
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08-29-2016 , 11:21 PM
Obviously it's easy to say fold in hindsight but how often do people say something along the lines of "Come on, fold. I know you don't have a strong hand" "He's gonna fold he has nothing, stop wasting our time" when bluffing? Every time I've seen this it's the nuts or fairly close to it.
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08-29-2016 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by prahsk87
Obviously it's easy to say fold in hindsight but how often do people say something along the lines of "Come on, fold. I know you don't have a strong hand" "He's gonna fold he has nothing, stop wasting our time" when bluffing? Every time I've seen this it's the nuts or fairly close to it.

its easy to make optimal decisions in hindsight, period. the guy could of had a momentary emotional reaction to the crowd jeering and taking selfies....no matter how smart we think we are, we are still fallable human beings that are often ruled by emotions.


i say this because clearly when he goes to the tank its because the guys logic and reasoning were telling him to fold...yet something else took over and caused him to call very quickly. what do you think this was? a sudden logical insight with almost no additional information...or a sudden burst of emotion that overruled this thought process?
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08-30-2016 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by betgo
Well it is a straight versus nut flush HU. Interesting and probably good play to push even though the board paired. Malec's behavior may be a tell, as some people would be less animated when bluffing.
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Originally Posted by prahsk87
Obviously it's easy to say fold in hindsight but how often do people say something along the lines of "Come on, fold. I know you don't have a strong hand" "He's gonna fold he has nothing, stop wasting our time" when bluffing? Every time I've seen this it's the nuts or fairly close to it.
There were dynamics at work here (as you know there usually are in long HU matches). Malec had pushed trip 9s earlier in a hand where a 9 landed on the river. In this hand he stood and simply sipped from the straw in his drink and didn't say anything. He mentions this is the Pokernews video and says he wanted to do the near opposite in this spot.

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Originally Posted by MerginHosOn24s
its easy to make optimal decisions in hindsight, period. the guy could of had a momentary emotional reaction to the crowd jeering and taking selfies....no matter how smart we think we are, we are still fallable human beings that are often ruled by emotions.


i say this because clearly when he goes to the tank its because the guys logic and reasoning were telling him to fold...yet something else took over and caused him to call very quickly. what do you think this was? a sudden logical insight with almost no additional information...or a sudden burst of emotion that overruled this thought process?
I think the change in Uri's think occurred when Malec started talking about T9.
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08-30-2016 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
There were dynamics at work here (as you know there usually are in long HU matches). Malec had pushed trip 9s earlier in a hand where a 9 landed on the river. In this hand he stood and simply sipped from the straw in his drink and didn't say anything. He mentions this is the Pokernews video and says he wanted to do the near opposite in this spot.



I think the change in Uri's think occurred when Malec started talking about T9.
the more important dynamics were flush vs straight hu. the river might have taken 10 second or 1 mins but the result was almost always going to be the same. people love to overanalyze hands like this and make them seem a lot deeper and more complex than they really are.

the guy with the flush didn't trick him into calling with ace high or some nonsense hand.
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08-30-2016 , 02:34 AM
great match on tv for sure!
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08-30-2016 , 06:49 AM
seems like a good guy, glad he won. congrats
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08-30-2016 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
it's an exiciting hand in that the both had super strong hands heads up but nobody is ever folding a straight there HU nor should they
The guy who folded quads in the Main Event disagrees with you.
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08-30-2016 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Krataman
IKR!
- openly hated on polish player and said he will keep hating and more when confronted about it on twitter.
- never called him by his name, always referred to him as "polak" (the pole) in demeaning way.
- was openly annoyed when Malec won a pot and evened the stacks, because it meant he will have to stay there and do the job he does not enjoy saying ironically "great! now he is going to win it all".
and more and more....
Well, first of all lets tell the things how they really were ok?
- Nobody was hating on your boy although he acted like an immature little bitch. Just because it maybe seemed to u like it wasnt the case. If u wanna see some hate, just browse through the #EPTlive timeline on twitter.
- There was not a slightest tone of demeanor in saying the word Polak, just as there was not a tone of demeanor as reffering to the Uri as German, thats pretty standard.
- Im pretty sure everyone wished Uri won cuz he was a class act and not immature little kid who had no class and acted like he was high on dope
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08-30-2016 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jaggalo1231
- There was not a slightest tone of demeanor in saying the word Polak, just as there was not a tone of demeanor as reffering to the Uri as German, thats pretty standard.
I don't know what's standard in Europe, but just as a point of reference, in the U.S., that word is universally considered to be a slur and is only used in a derogatory sense when referring to a person from Poland.
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08-30-2016 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DC2LV
I don't know what's standard in Europe, but just as a point of reference, in the U.S., that word is universally considered to be a slur and is only used in a derogatory sense when referring to a person from Poland.
Just to point out that polak in czech actually actually means Polish, same as Nemec means german. same as čech means czech. no slur was ever intended, in any way
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08-30-2016 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
Fair enough. I probably jumped the gun with my comments.
Apologies.
wp. Simple, classy apologies are all too rare on these boards.
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08-30-2016 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jaggalo1231
Just to point out that polak in czech actually actually means Polish, same as Nemec means german. same as čech means czech. no slur was ever intended, in any way
Thanks for that explanation. BTW, my wife amd I will be in Prague for Christmas, so maybe we'll learn a few Czech words while there.
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08-30-2016 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jaggalo1231
Well, first of all lets tell the things how they really were ok?
- Nobody was hating on your boy although he acted like an immature little bitch.

- Im pretty sure everyone wished Uri won cuz he was a class act and not immature little kid who had no class and acted like he was high on dope
So a star commentator from the mighty Czech Republic gets to dicede how a young kid playing for life changing money is supposed to act. Take a listen how the professional commentators from the English side commentated on his demenour. Some trolls on twitter or twitch wont make your case.

He didn't do anything out of line, was entertaining and Im sure many people cheered for him and even Uri seemed to enjoy his act. I for one did as it's refreshing to once see some personality on the table. The legions of emotionless robotregs aren't going to help to make poker great again.

Hope Amaya cuts your salary from two to one card protector a month.
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08-30-2016 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
BREAKING NEWS

Tourney player can't lay down straight.
On a paired board with a flush out there and holding a 10 which blocks some bluffs......
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08-31-2016 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by northkorea666
So a star commentator from the mighty Czech Republic gets to dicede how a young kid playing for life changing money is supposed to act. Take a listen how the professional commentators from the English side commentated on his demenour. Some trolls on twitter or twitch wont make your case.

He didn't do anything out of line, was entertaining and Im sure many people cheered for him and even Uri seemed to enjoy his act. I for one did as it's refreshing to once see some personality on the table. The legions of emotionless robotregs aren't going to help to make poker great again.

Hope Amaya cuts your salary from two to one card protector a month.
I apologize for my phrasing in my first post, because I tend to get really out of line when somebody throws dirt on my friend or friends that is completely fabricated, taken out of context and mistranslated. I guess you're right that he is just a young kid

Artur
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08-31-2016 , 12:07 PM
I just tuned in to the Czech commentary for just a bit and I am already saddened by the commentary. It took the commentators (sorry, I could not exactly tell which one was which) literally minutes to berate the Polish player several times, actively root against him and cheer when he lost some pots - the player, a fasctinating young kid, who did NOTHING wrong, nothing against the rules or ethics of the game.

From what I've seen in Facebook comments, Luděk Staněk continues to belittle the issue with sarcastic comments. The stream was hard to listen to and I have sincerely felt a bit sadder after a while of watching. I feel like I might not be the only one.

Why is it so hard for us people to judge less and maybe try to understand and find interest in each other more, that I do not know. I wish the commentary won't be left out without consequences.

Last edited by Scarmaker; 08-31-2016 at 12:16 PM.
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08-31-2016 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarmaker
I just tuned in to the Czech commentary for just a bit and I am already saddened by the commentary. It took the commentators (sorry, I could not exactly tell which one was which) literally minutes to berate the Polish player several times, actively root against him and cheer when he lost some pots - the player, a fasctinating young kid, who did NOTHING wrong, nothing against the rules or ethics of the game.

From what I've seen in Facebook comments, Luděk Staněk continues to belittle the issue with sarcastic comments..
we'll I'd say OP story is pretty much confirmed.

Mr. Hartigan, not that I know anything about your business but sounds like EPT Live owes a group of your customers an apology and annoucement that this polarizing host wont be doing any more live streams for you all.

Just a suggestion.
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09-01-2016 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jaggalo1231
Well, first of all lets tell the things how they really were ok?
- Nobody was hating on your boy although he acted like an immature little bitch. Just because it maybe seemed to u like it wasnt the case. If u wanna see some hate, just browse through the #EPTlive timeline on twitter.
- There was not a slightest tone of demeanor in saying the word Polak, just as there was not a tone of demeanor as reffering to the Uri as German, thats pretty standard.
- Im pretty sure everyone wished Uri won cuz he was a class act and not immature little kid who had no class and acted like he was high on dope

1/ you could not be more biased as he is your friend. I can respect that, because it is a noble thing to do, but even you must realize how out of line he was!
2/ the way he talked about him as "polak" was demeaning and every Czech person knows what I am talking about. You might not know that because you are not Czech and you might not understand these nuances so whatever...
3/ so you are pretty sure about what everyone wished, are you now? Have you noticed how your opinion is in contrast with others in this thread? People actually enjoyed this guy at the table and calling him little bitch really shows where you stand and who you are.

Interesting how you skipped the other parts, care to address the "boooring" shouts? Is that ok as well? Being annoyed that stacks evened out after Malec wont some pots? Ok? Being annoyed its gonna be a long session, ok? and how about parodying his laugh and talking like a 3rd grader, that cool too?

....."immature little kid who had no class and acted like he was high on dope"..... I dont even....
He IS a little kid, he qualified for 27 euro and got to a heads up so no wonder he was high! He was not impolite, disrespectful or anything like that though. You might think he was annoying and that is ok, but you must be quite intolerant to be calling him immature little bitch for it.

"Uri was a class act" that is truth. It is because he is much older guy and has quite a lot more experience. The fact you cant understand these reasons is beyond me.

Overall the commentary was a ****ing travesty and the only little bitch is you for defending this kind of unprofessional crap.

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Originally Posted by jaggalo1231
I apologize for my phrasing in my first post, because I tend to get really out of line when somebody throws dirt on my friend or friends that is completely fabricated, taken out of context and mistranslated. I guess you're right that he is just a young kid
Artur
Completely fabricated? you sir, are a bloody liar and I lost all respect for you! Should I make a transcript or what? Anyone is free to listen to it and make their own opinion. There is no taking out of context nor there is any kind of wrong translation.

Last edited by Krataman; 09-01-2016 at 06:47 AM.
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09-01-2016 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jaggalo1231
- There was not a slightest tone of demeanor .....
just a snippet for you. This took me about 10 minutes to dig out. Now tell me about how its completely fabricated and there is no demeanor or hate.

Malec wining a pot... “Now he is going to even the stacks, I knew it” (disappointed).
“It’s late now, can we support (Uri) openly? “
“He is waving his little hands around; the boy got drunk“
Malec hits the flop.... “I knew the pole is going to hit it” (annoyed)
“Arrogant bastard“
“Arrogant brat“
“It’s the booze talking out of him.”
“It’s not a dying seal what you are hearing, it’s a polish laugh.”
3 clubs on the flop: “bad luck, only the pole has a club draw.”
“This guy is such a clown”.
Uri goes all in with T8 vs. A9 on 9Q42J river: “let’s go, call it you... call it!” Malec calls... “Yes! Yes! Muahahaha” (laughs mockingly).
“Someone on twitter writes... could someone please go there and knock him out?”
“To hate someone is a kind of entertainment”.
“The way he is talking to himself looks like he forgot to take some pills”.
Malec is contemplating a call on river with worse hand... “Let’s go cripple yourself!”
Directly to Malec “You are really good in bull****ting in this tournament, you are just talking bull****”
Malec goes all in with trip 9s on the river... “No, no, don’t call this (Uri), don’t make any stupid moves, you have been playing well.” Uri calls....”oh no, great....I don’t want to be here anymore”.
Malec wining the last hand... “Ladies and gentleman, there is no justice in poker”
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09-02-2016 , 03:20 PM
I wrote up a quick analysis of it yesterday and put it in the 2+2 Poker Tells/Behavior thread. Here it is.
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09-02-2016 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
the guy with the flush didn't trick him into calling with ace high or some nonsense hand.
Agreed if anything he almost talked him out of calling.
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09-02-2016 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WildBillgcp
Agreed if anything he almost talked him out of calling.
You must not have seen how Malec was acting during the previous big hand when he jammed river. He talks about his behavior in the Pokernews post-tournament video.
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09-02-2016 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Krataman
just a snippet for you. This took me about 10 minutes to dig out. Now tell me about how its completely fabricated and there is no demeanor or hate.

Malec wining a pot... “Now he is going to even the stacks, I knew it” (disappointed).
“It’s late now, can we support (Uri) openly? “
“He is waving his little hands around; the boy got drunk“
Malec hits the flop.... “I knew the pole is going to hit it” (annoyed)
“Arrogant bastard“
“Arrogant brat“
“It’s the booze talking out of him.”
“It’s not a dying seal what you are hearing, it’s a polish laugh.”
3 clubs on the flop: “bad luck, only the pole has a club draw.”
“This guy is such a clown”.
Uri goes all in with T8 vs. A9 on 9Q42J river: “let’s go, call it you... call it!” Malec calls... “Yes! Yes! Muahahaha” (laughs mockingly).
“Someone on twitter writes... could someone please go there and knock him out?”
“To hate someone is a kind of entertainment”.
“The way he is talking to himself looks like he forgot to take some pills”.
Malec is contemplating a call on river with worse hand... “Let’s go cripple yourself!”
Directly to Malec “You are really good in bull****ting in this tournament, you are just talking bull****”
Malec goes all in with trip 9s on the river... “No, no, don’t call this (Uri), don’t make any stupid moves, you have been playing well.” Uri calls....”oh no, great....I don’t want to be here anymore”.
Malec wining the last hand... “Ladies and gentleman, there is no justice in poker”
If you haven't already done so, you should PM Mr. Hartigan since these "accusations" definitely need to be looked into by someone high up in the EPL team.

Poker analysts have been known to go a little loopy, especially during long heads-up matches. But, it sounds like the commentator(s) may have crossed the line here.
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