Disagree. If JY's boss didn't exist but JY can prove he had sufficient funds to pay off Chris than Chris still owes the $$$.

Kilowatt making his usual strong logical case.

I just want to do right in this situation. I want to do what is right for me if I was getting freerolled he was insolvent and I want to do right by Jason if I wasn't. I would not of taken it this far if I thought I was wrong.

Compelling argument, but what about the flip side. Suppose a bookie/agent takes and fronts a bet from a customer. The customer gives him a story that he is out of town and will settle up with him as soon as he gets back in town. But really needs to get the bet down ASAP. The customer hits a 50k score and wants to meet at the diner tomorrow to settle up. On his way to the diner, the agent/bookie then finds out from friends or other agents/bookies that the guy is busto and owes several other agent/bookies money. He has been late for weeks and owes 50k in total to other agents/bookies. Would the agent/bookie have the right to stiff the customer, as he was being freerolled?

I am not saying this is what happened. In fact I'm beginning to think MM was in fact being freerolled. If someone legitimately stiffed me for 25k, I would not have waited 2 years and they would be walking with a slight limp. And their girlfriend would be visiting me on Friday nights. Sounds like the restaurant business can be a little rough on the wallet.

I was the one that asked, and yes it does matter to me. You acknowledged you owed, and you paid when you had the money. I am not sure how JY's sports book operated, so I believe you don't feel you owe until you get the answers you are looking for.

I'm also a fan of yours CM, shortly after you won the WSOP, I played 5-10nl with you at the MGM. I didn't do to well as I was new to poker, but you were very down to earth and fun at the table.

Sigh, u didn't grasp the most important part which is that JY isn't on the hook for anything if he is truly the agent other than his own players and then he's only liable for a % if that but it's usually a freeroll. If JY has more coming in than going out then he is just going to collect from the players he agents for and have $ left over. If ppl were up 25k and down 5k than he'd need to make sure the book could cover it.

The NVG brutal part has nothing to do with ethical standards, it has to do with ppl making comments on things they have no knowledge about

It's about the culture. Some things can't be understood without firsthand experience. I don't know what is so difficult to understand about this.

What I find amusing about this whole debacle is that people who otherwise seem intelligent human beings think they can make a profit sports betting with 10% vig. Never underestimate the stupidity of the average gambler.

Normally I would say:


But in this instance I would say:

Very true.

Finally a man with no gambling leaks. No horses, craps, baccarat, sports, slots or lottery for this guy. He finds the 4 billion people that play any of these "amusing". You're the best!! I find it amusing when people pay to go to the movies. Bunch of suckers....I just wait for it to come to my tv!!

Or the stupidity of an average poster, who would post something like this.

Thought this as well. Seems like admitting illegal activity on the internet is probably a bad idea.

I get your point. I have no problem with people gambling for the sake of gambling. I live in a country where gambling is completely legal so if you're a skilled sports better you actually have a chance of winning long term which is clearly not the case in the US.

As with pretty much everything (alcohol, drugs, gambling) prohibition is never good for the consumer.

Pretty simple.

Once everyone else has been paid they money they are owed, then MM should pay.

Until then, he should not.

+1... He must be under a lot of money pressure to have taken this enormous risk and opened himself up to potentially negative consequences.

my opinion on the situation doesn't matter, but i'm on JY's side. But lol @ u guys all admitting to all this illegal sportsbetting and bookies and stuff for everyone to read... use some sense FFS!

So where was CM s coming from if he won?

Why not? The guy ****ed him by leaving and not paying out! What allegiance does he have to him now? If the guy was the " serious " type who u may be worried to "out" , he would have access to $$ to solve this whole mess

Has anyone sought the opinion of one Haralabob Voulgaris?

So why haven't you paid the others? CM's money should have no bearing on whether you pay them out.

*I do think CM should pay you immediately, but I'm just curious why you think it's okay to stiff 2 other guys while you wait for another client to pay up? That's not how bookieing works.

And if you were "only" an agent and the book ran off, you're still on the hook for the money since agents ALWAYS vouch for the book (and the agents vouch for the client if he refuses to pay the book).

Why, it's not like he's ever been freerolled in sports & he is way too knowledgeable about the business to post

what i find amusing is that you think these credit shops with their ten percent or even higher on props vig can't be beaten. never underestimate your own stupidity.