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Old 04-29-2009, 11:28 PM   #226
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

at least the trip to canada will be shorter than for the rest of us
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:30 PM   #227
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:31 PM   #228
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I read somewhere on here a while back about a court case where people were depositing on sites via credit cards, losing all their $ then arguing that they're not responsible because it's illegal. The cc companies fought this and won. I don't know the details but I think it had something to do with poker not being included in the "wire act" which was well before the current ban came into effect. Maybe someone knows more about this case I don't remember where I read about it. I'll do a search and try to find it.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:38 PM   #229
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I love MN, but this is the first time in my life ive been embarassed to be from here.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:39 PM   #230
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This sucks. I don't really know what else to say. It just seems so ludicrous that a bill that was made before the internet even existed can now be used against online poker. The senate election fiasco is bad enough, but now I have to add this to the list of why I'm embarrassed to discuss Minnesota politics.

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Old 04-29-2009, 11:43 PM   #231
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:45 PM   #232
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

I've got a pretty good relationship with my Rep here in Mn and will be talking to her as soon as possible about this.

I encourage others to explore whatever avenues they think they may have access to.

The governor's fishing opener protest is a fairly intriguing idea given all the media coverage it attracts.

This news just stuns me tbh.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:47 PM   #233
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No not new by anymeans. I just live way up nort and don't pay attention to whats going on in the citites. Life in the northwoods is the goodlife IMO.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:59 PM   #234
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I love MN, but this is the first time in my life ive been embarassed to be from here.
Yea, very embarrassing - Feeling the same way, I couldn't believe it when I saw it, a friend of mine actually texted me about it who saw on the star tribune.

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can i get around this by using my blackberry as a modem (verizon broadband something) or buying an aircard? theyre only restricing certain ISPs right? so by using an aircard I won't be using the MN IP address? am i wrong?

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I use a sprint card for work but sprint is included on the list. I am not worried about it, is pisses me off but Kentucky tried to pull the same **** and a judge threw it out. If this were to hold up then you get into blocking porn, file sharing, etc and it would just never stop. It's bs and I don't know who they think they are. I will be pissed if it gets blocked for a while, I'm not afraid I won't be able to get around it more so it will just be a hassle but I highly doubt this will even hold up. A 1961 law? Give me a break - if it does happen which I don't think it will and if it does I think it will be a temp thing but you will be able to get around it but don't count on using any aircards.

What are they gonna block this site next cause it talks about gambling? What jerk offs
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:10 AM   #235
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I was just thinking the same thing. I think letting the ISP's know that they will lose significant business may help us out on this.

Does anyone know where the appropriate place to send such an e-mail would be? The customer service department of your ISP perhaps? Has anyone wrote up such an e-mail yet so that I can use it as a template for my own e-mail?
How would this hurt the isp's? You can write all the e-mail you want but I won't be getting rid of comcast and going 2 crappy dsl anytime soon. If it does hold up which it won't but all the isps will have to block it so what good would switching do? I wouldn't be mad at comcast, if they are given an order by the state what are they going to do about it? I might be interested in seeing there stance on it and see if they are going to help fight it but nothing you could do.

I really wouldn't worry about it, I was keeping up on the Kentucky business when they tried 2 pull the same crap. I read on Star Tribs site that one place affected by online gambling is the casino room at Caterbury. Poor them - at least there casino games are all rake free now as far as I know, that was bs too.

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I sure as hell won't be and I play high stakes. IF this goes down, we should have more warning, and I don't see any reason why we couldn't cross state lines in a worse case scenario and withdrawal. They aren't changing any laws as far as I can tell regarding this, they are just pushing for the ISPs to block IPs of certain sites.
They made a comment in the article about your funds might be at risk which is stupid. They offshore sites are already not suppose to transfer funds in and out of here but just because if they blocked access to a site doesn't mean your funds just vanish or they wouldn't send them to you. You would just have to log on somewhere else or get around it here and cash out that's all.

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Old 04-30-2009, 12:22 AM   #236
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How would this hurt the isp's? You can write all the e-mail you want but I won't be getting rid of comcast and going 2 crappy dsl anytime soon. If it does hold up which it won't but all the isps will have to block it so what good would switching do? I wouldn't be mad at comcast, if they are given an order by the state what are they going to do about it? I might be interested in seeing there stance on it and see if they are going to help fight it but nothing you could do.
My thought process is that if we write the ISPs they may, at least to some degree, resist the states request to block our access to the gaming sites.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:23 AM   #237
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sim-x - I really don't know about that ISP thing on the cards. There's a difference between Verizon Broadband access card and just regular verizon in some city or district somewhere.

When I used an air-card as my primary internet connection I was getting ISP's from all over the place. MLB.com would black me out from watching the Yankees saying that I was based in NY. I was in Memphis, TN at the time. So I would log out and then log back in and usually the next time I could watch a NY game but might be blacked out from watching Chicago or something.

So based on my experience with the games MLB was blacking me out of watching I think the air-card may actually have potential. Although the air-card providers would have more incentive to actually try to limit/block their customers in Minn even if they were somehow showing them to be on an ISP in NY probably moreso than they cared about dumb MLB access rules.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:26 AM   #238
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:46 AM   #239
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What are they gonna block this site next cause it talks about gambling?
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:09 AM   #240
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Hey, I go to college in MN, would you guys recommend transferring most of my roll to a friend back home

No. Just go into wait and see mode. I doubt the sites would confiscate your money anyway. You just wouldn't be able to access you acct or whatever from here but this will take a while as a judge would prob put a hold on it anyway
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:13 AM   #241
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My thought process is that if we write the ISPs they may, at least to some degree, resist the states request to block our access to the gaming sites.
Yea I am curious to what there stance is on it.

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sim-x - I really don't know about that ISP thing on the cards. There's a difference between Verizon Broadband access card and just regular verizon in some city or district somewhere.

When I used an air-card as my primary internet connection I was getting ISP's from all over the place. MLB.com would black me out from watching the Yankees saying that I was based in NY. I was in Memphis, TN at the time. So I would log out and then log back in and usually the next time I could watch a NY game but might be blacked out from watching Chicago or something.

So based on my experience with the games MLB was blacking me out of watching I think the air-card may actually have potential. Although the air-card providers would have more incentive to actually try to limit/block their customers in Minn even if they were somehow showing them to be on an ISP in NY probably moreso than they cared about dumb MLB access rules.
Yea that's a good point. We use sprint cards at work so I'm not sure about Verizon but I'm sure they are set up very similar. I would assume it would include air cards since as far as I know sprint/nextel doesn't have home broadband. I know verizon does but I don't think Verizon does DSL is MN. It's all Qwest or embarq which use to be Sprint. Not sure how sprint or verizons set up there ip address but if it is blocking your MLB when your out of state they must be set up a lot different from wired.

Since the isps have never really had to set up a "net nanny" filter, I can't imagine it's something they could just "turn on" overnight.

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Old 04-30-2009, 01:18 AM   #242
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

NH BRA, LLC. (www.nhbra.com) operates servers in Minnesota that monitor the traffic and revenue of online poker. This ban unfairly targets this perfectly legal business activity and would force the business completely out-of-state... all when the focus of lawmakers should be on incubating such businesses to grow high-tech jobs.

And btw they just came out with a new poker buddylist that is pretty sick !
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...t-beta-472468/
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:28 AM   #243
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NH BRA, LLC. (www.nhbra.com) operates servers in Minnesota that monitor the traffic and revenue of online poker. This ban unfairly targets this perfectly legal business activity and would force the business completely out-of-state... all when the focus of lawmakers should be on incubating such businesses to grow high-tech jobs.

And btw they just came out with a new poker buddylist that is pretty sick !
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...t-beta-472468/
Very good point - they have every right to do what they are doing - Does anyone know what happens next as far as the legal process goes?
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:44 AM   #244
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I posted this to my blogs at http://poker.townhall.com and http://www.campaignforliberty.com/user/TheEngineer . The digg link is at http://digg.com/tech_news/Gov_Tim_Pa...r_the_Internet .Thanks!
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:47 AM   #245
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I won't be mad at Minnesota for passing this law. I'll be mad at the people for letting it happen.
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:09 AM   #246
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I think we need to find the mainstream media. I have a buddy, who playes poker, and works at a Twin Cities news station who pitched the story... His response to me was that they wouldn't really care about gamblers today unless they had the Swine Flu...

But they had a HUGE story on their station this past week about Popeye's on Lake St. not honoring a national advertised sale because they got 30 or so calls about it, and people were p'd off...
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:16 AM   #247
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I just wanted to point out that 2+2 has a high amount of people from Minnesota.

Thanks guys and FU government.

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For some reason I do not think we will get very far with this. Poker players in general seem to bark but never bite. We'll ***** about tournament structures yet still play (chainsaw), and will talk about protest yet never materialize. We need to do something now god damnit.

Ok now I go for real.
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:04 AM   #248
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lol this country is ****ed... see what happens when you turn your rights over to jesus? CHANGE IS COMING! LOL you guys are such suckers..
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:11 AM   #249
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This isn't about poker. It's about the government blocking access to sites on the internet. That's BAD
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:32 AM   #250
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There is surprisingly little talk about who stands to gain most from this ban. I think you can largely assume they are pulling the strings on this one. I am going to write an article for some time today (and I guarantee you it will rank in the top 5 for their various names).

If we can put some pressure on the people that are behind this maybe they will stop.

Also I will be in Vegas this weekend. So I will be mostly unavailable. I will stay active on twitter and I should be able to pump out a few articles and such. With all of the celebrity apprentice stuff my blog is very active these days.
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