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12-15-2023 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Mikki's a blatant scammer which is why people don't like him.
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Originally Posted by rickroll
fwiw it seems the grift is coming to an end,
the comments are overwhelmingly negative and calling him a scammer.
The YouTube comments are the only part of the video, worth someone's time.
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12-15-2023 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkey Schon
Not even sure where to start. I have been around long enough to know sketchy when I see it, but feel free to make your own assumptions. At the end of the day it is all conjecture on both our parts.

Mikki (or anyone claiming to be advantaged) is a different story as evidenced by statistics and the fact that no Casino is going to run a game that anyone can beat. I am comfortable stating that outside of card counting, edge sorting, etc. (and even with these the edge is razor thin) that anyone who plays games of chance will lose over the long run.
Don't forget bonus whoring on the right video poker machines.

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Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
Any time this thread gets bumped, it’s concerning to me that there’s people who don’t see this guy is a fraud/scammer/grifter
I'm only concerned when they aren't sitting at my table.
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12-16-2023 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by lwlee
Projecting how you would do something is your own choice and not everyone else's. This is the problem with most people who assume he's guilty of something.
Implying that he was soliciting people's money all along in order to split the winnings? This is more self-made conjecture. If you follow the timeline, he was playing with his own money (as of now, prob legit made from the Florida medicaid/medicare pharma industry) then when he got banned from the casinos for winning so much money, he decided he would have fun gambling with celebrities/rappers as their sidekick. There was no point where he was openly soliciting a lot of money from people. If so please show it.
Forget about the poker stuff. He's clearly not good. And his tight money behaviour was very strange. But to start outright accusing him of everything without legit evidence is bad.

Cut to the chase. Once he starts trying to get rich by soliciting or out right scamming people then you can call him all the names you want. But right now, the dude is just living a weird, funky life that most people can't understand. Again going back to my Bilzerian comparison, when he was living up the lavish life, nothing wrong with that but of course he gonna have his haterz. Then it was revealed, to the good, that he took milions off billionarie whale. But now he's scamming people with his fake cannabis company and has since moved onto an Andrew Tate scheme. NOW you can slam him for being scammer.
prove any of this happened. that mikki claims it did is not proof enough for anyone but you...
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12-16-2023 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by lwlee
Dude, no white knight. I think or at least thought my stance was clear. To implicate him fully, there needs to be more besides just not liking him as a person. Dude is just chillin and living the LA lifestyle. Someone please expose him whether it's good or bad!
It's been proven. Mikki claims to have made millions playing poker but anyone that has watched a single stream of him knows that's BS. Next, baccarat is a game of luck, mikki is not making money off of it. So yes him claiming to be a professional gambler is a lie and he is a fraud.
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12-16-2023 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LimpDitka
It's been proven. Mikki claims to have made millions playing poker but anyone that has watched a single stream of him knows that's BS. Next, baccarat is a game of luck, mikki is not making money off of it. So yes him claiming to be a professional gambler is a lie and he is a fraud.
The baccarat part is clearly a lie. The poker part could be true if mikki could find a game with bad enough players or one he could scam long-term
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12-16-2023 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
prove any of this happened. that mikki claims it did is not proof enough for anyone but you...
"In the United States, the burden of proof is generally placed on the accuser in both civil and criminal trials. The legal term for this is onus probandi, which means the burden of proof."

You are the ACCUSER who wants to implicate Mase so you should dig out the evidence to prove his falsehood. I'm simply following the timeline of what has been divulge in the public space. Again like I said, someone please expose Mase, good or bad. AND please put the thoughtful analysis that was done in the Postle case. Literally months of data was present and a succinct case was made.

Let me help you out, in several podcasts, there are current friends of Mase who knew him back in the day. Apparently they host their own podcasts and are now semi-famous. So now we have some corroboration on those events, concerning the pharma money. In Florida, there must be people who have dealt with Mase in the business and can further give details about the potential money made.

Please do the proper investigation and expose Mase!

Last edited by lwlee; 12-16-2023 at 10:20 AM.
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12-16-2023 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LimpDitka
It's been proven. Mikki claims to have made millions playing poker but anyone that has watched a single stream of him knows that's BS. Next, baccarat is a game of luck, mikki is not making money off of it. So yes him claiming to be a professional gambler is a lie and he is a fraud.
Millions? When did he says this? Granted I haven't listened to everything he said but I thought I had heard enough so that the only time he said he made millions, was from Baccarat? This is EXACTLY the kinda of hearsay and innuendo that lazy people have when coming up with their judgment. That dude is black, ummm I mean has a bunch of tattoos, so he must be a criminal.

I remember his first HCL appearance. Dude looked like a typical fish. Then the multiple other appearances with his tight ass money play. Who the hell would ever said they made millions playing like that??? It was laughable after seeing that play, then him later discussing GTO as if he was suddenly some kind of expert.
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12-16-2023 , 10:22 AM
Pretending to believe Mikki is incredibly lazy trolling.
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12-16-2023 , 11:09 AM
lwlee must be MAGA and or a meth addict..
I dont understand how he can have a 2004 reg'd account and literally every post he makes is wrong lol
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12-16-2023 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tercet
lwlee must be MAGA and or a meth addict..
I dont understand how he can have a 2004 reg'd account and literally every post he makes is wrong lol
As your elder, I try to impart my wisdom and learning on your youthful naive ways. It's the folly of youth that would ever consider me MAGA lol. And meth addict? Another lazy accusation coming out of left field. In my entire life I once tried a puff of weed and when it didn't affect me, I never tried again. You poor naive child!

Lol I've now been called a libtard and MAGA. Must be doing something right.

Last edited by lwlee; 12-16-2023 at 12:14 PM.
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12-16-2023 , 12:01 PM
At least Mikki splashed out and got a haircut. Now he looks slightly less like a crack addict.
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12-16-2023 , 12:37 PM
lwlee, your logic doesn't make sense

the person making the claims is mikki, so therefore the burden of proof should be upon him - he's the one repeatedly testifying to his accomplishments without showing receipts
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12-16-2023 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
lwlee, your logic doesn't make sense

the person making the claims is mikki, so therefore the burden of proof should be upon him - he's the one repeatedly testifying to his accomplishments without showing receipts
Uh no. If you accuse him, then you need to prove it. Republican Santos made a lot of claims. In order to get rid of him, it was necessary to prove his wrongdoings. The interesting thing about Santos was the enormous trail of wrongdoings corrobated by multiple people. Lol, he jew-ish. The flaming cross dressing stuff was pretty good too

I won't harp on this any longer. I can see the logic deficiencies of some people is beyond repair.

Last edited by lwlee; 12-16-2023 at 01:25 PM.
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12-16-2023 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lwlee
Uh no. If you accuse him, then you need to prove it. Republican Santos made a lot of claims. In order to get rid of him, it was necessary to prove his wrongdoings. The interesting thing about Santos was the enormous trail of wrongdoings corrobated by multiple people. Lol, he jew-ish. The flaming cross dressing stuff was pretty good too

I won't harp on this any longer. I can see the logic deficiencies of some people is beyond repair.
No thats not how it works. If I claim I can jump over the moon the burden of proof Is me to prove it. It isn't on others to prove I can't. Now if the moon gets blown up and you say I did it then yea you would need proof
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12-16-2023 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lwlee
Uh no. If you accuse him, then you need to prove it. Republican Santos made a lot of claims. In order to get rid of him, it was necessary to prove his wrongdoings. The interesting thing about Santos was the enormous trail of wrongdoings corrobated by multiple people. Lol, he jew-ish. The flaming cross dressing stuff was pretty good too

I won't harp on this any longer. I can see the logic deficiencies of some people is beyond repair.
No when someone claims to be doing the impossible and wants people to give him money to do the impossible they need to prove what they're saying is true.

If you can't recognize a scammer so blatant as MM then it's going to be very hard for you to recognize a good scammer.

I mean am I not allowed to call the Bellagio Bridge 3 card Monty dealers scammers either?

MM isn't some politician in court getting thrown out of office. I knew Santos was full of **** too ages ago and it didn't take him getting kicked out of office for me to realize it.

In any poker room I've ever played in I know who a lot of the scammers are including people who owe a ton of players in the room money. Does that mean I can prove it in court? No it means I'll tell anyone I don't hate not to lend them money and that they're a scammer. Same way I know MM is a scammer.

The again I guess this is how people get scammed by guys like NYPoker king-someone I knew was a con artist within ten minutes of meeting him. After all it hasn't been proved in court he was scamming so why would I be able to use common sense?

Look if someone is trying to sell NFL picks and they tell me they hit 56 percent they might be lying but there's a chance they're actually a good handicapper. If someone tells me they hit 75 percent ATS long term I KNOW they're a scammer. I don't need to somehow track their picks over entire NFL seasons to prove it. And MM saying he has a winning baccarat system is 1000 times more absurd than someone saying they hit 75 percent ATS.

Last edited by borg23; 12-16-2023 at 02:12 PM.
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12-16-2023 , 02:24 PM
Iwlee this isn’t a court of law. The reason the burden of proof is high in a court of law is that the consequence is someone’s freedom. In the court of public opinion there is no such consequence, we are only assessing someone’s claims / character / reputation.

If you actually think Mikki’s claims are true, I would love to sit at a poker table with you. Your ability to assess odds, bluffs, and reality at large seem to be laughably compromised.
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12-16-2023 , 06:18 PM
I’d think the first rule of having a winning baccarat system is you don’t talk about having a winning baccarat system…
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12-16-2023 , 06:42 PM
Pretty amazing that he can con people into believing him with these fake documentaries where he can't keep his stories straight. He is not even remotely credible.

Someone who believes this clown explain to me how if he catching a casino cheating he is able to reverse engineer the cheat and win.
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12-16-2023 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Pretty amazing that he can con people into believing him with these fake documentaries where he can't keep his stories straight. He is not even remotely credible.

Someone who believes this clown explain to me how if he catching a casino cheating he is able to reverse engineer the cheat and win.
Seriously ... even if he is banned from any casinos, it's probably because he is running a scam where he "coaches" them and gets a cut of the winnings ... but when people lose they get upset.

Casinos probably banned him for running this scam on people, not because he is winning at baccarat.
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12-16-2023 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Pretty amazing that he can con people into believing him with these fake documentaries where he can't keep his stories straight. He is not even remotely credible.

Someone who believes this clown explain to me how if he catching a casino cheating he is able to reverse engineer the cheat and win.
Seriously ... even if he is banned from any casinos, it's probably because he is running a scam where he "coaches" them and gets a cut of the winnings ... but when people lose they get upset.

Casinos probably banned him for running this scam on people, not because he is winning at baccarat. Then he twists it into "I'm banned because I have won so much" ...

The funny part is a lot of the people who fall for this come off as people who don't believe you can win at poker.
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12-16-2023 , 07:06 PM
He's a bum
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12-16-2023 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ten25
Seriously ... even if he is banned from any casinos, it's probably because he is running a scam where he "coaches" them and gets a cut of the winnings ... but when people lose they get upset.

Casinos probably banned him for running this scam on people, not because he is winning at baccarat. Then he twists it into "I'm banned because I have won so much" ...

The funny part is a lot of the people who fall for this come off as people who don't believe you can win at poker.
Sounds like people who think poker is unbeatable but will gladly plop their asses infront of a slot machine
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12-17-2023 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Donkey Schon
We know that he does not make money using some system for baccarat because statistical that is impossible.
You do know you can have a decent edge card counting and only betting dragons right? Can he do it, prob not and won’t take much for them to turn down your action as obvious what’s going on, but you can’t make blanket statements like it’s impossible.

If you were to max out dragon bets at some CA casinos for instance (400x6) your EV is around +1500 per shoe

Last edited by Bacwizard; 12-17-2023 at 01:17 AM.
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12-17-2023 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bacwizard
You do know you can have a decent edge card counting and only betting dragons right? Can he do it, prob not and won’t take much for them to turn down your action as obvious what’s going on, but you can’t make blanket statements like it’s impossible.
this is a wildly misleading statement

1 at best you're looking to win about .6 units per shoe doing this

2 it's a bet that pays 40:1, so the swings are going to be absolutely enormous

3 if the casino gets an idea of what you are doing - which will happen because this is a known thing, they'll start cutting the shoe deeper, wiping your edge to less than half a unit profit per shoe

4 they can also back you off from betting dragons

but even if they don't, this is what wizard of odds thinks of it


can read the whole thing here
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/dragon-bet/
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12-17-2023 , 01:27 AM
Agree with everything you said, simply stating that there is at least 1 ad play that exist in bac. And if given a sufficient bankroll and willing casino you could make a lot of money (of course would be cut off early in practice)
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