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Old 10-03-2019, 10:32 PM   #2401
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Very well done again for coming out with all of this

I have to say that of all of the various commentators, the guy here is the only one that i suspect might be in on it.

Very sad for all the commentary team and vloggers who have lost their income btw. Just shows how greedy and psycho these theives were.

I imagine you'll get work at other streams tho!
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:33 PM   #2402
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He does not know run outs. He gets it all in with 54os vs AK vs AK for 3k and loses the first run out.
The keys are on the table.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:35 PM   #2403
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Grunching like last 400 posts but good God the Morse code derail is such classic suzzer.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:36 PM   #2404
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Honestly, if you think this sort of thing is James Bond-esque **** in 2019 then you are a sucker looking to be taken advantage of. This sort of thing is not that fantastical. There has been similar technology used by cheaters for years. Of course to pull it off one needs an inside man (check) and probably a seat close to the deck (check).
And marked cards which are marked specifically for the device but also have RFID.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:36 PM   #2405
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As far as I know I'm the first one who pointed out the James Bond thing relies on marked cards - which I can see where people missed because he kind of just barely mentions it in the video.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:37 PM   #2406
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:38 PM   #2407
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I was 'specting a RickRoll. Looks genuine. Deserves the 90 seconds to watch.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:38 PM   #2408
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Grunching like last 400 posts but good God the Morse code derail is such classic suzzer.
Oh man it's still going on.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:40 PM   #2409
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It has started again. Can someone make it stop?
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MAKE IT STOP PLEASE

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I think warning you would have been a better way to make it stop, as his more recent posts seemed fine to me. If you disagree with someone's posts, go ahead and point out what the problem is. If you think the posts are problematic, report them. Don't make the thread even worse by posting this crap in response to very one of his posts.

Anyway, hopefully we can all let it go now - and not complain the first instant he's back tomorrow.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:40 PM   #2410
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Can you say anything about Harlan aka HK from Harlan and Victims (can't make this **** up). Apparently he's up a lot which is surprising to say the least.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:41 PM   #2411
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Veronica (hoping this is really you) do you have any knowledge of who was in the production (not commentator) booth?

Like how many people usually worked in there during a stream? Was it usually the same personnel?

Did Justin watch the stream live on his laptop or phone?
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:43 PM   #2412
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Technologically, how would it be possible at all to know run-outs? Keys on table, ect. it's turning from speculation into conspiracy theory territory. Joey watch what you throw out there, because people seem to take it and run with it.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:44 PM   #2413
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The keys are on the table.
Investigation #4 tonight?
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:44 PM   #2414
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Technologically, how would it be possible at all to know run-outs? Keys on table, ect. it's turning from speculation into conspiracy theory territory. Joey watch what you throw out there, because people seem to take it and run with it.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:45 PM   #2415
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I was thinking about the supposed rfid error in the 86o versus 96 hand. There should be a pretty easy way to detect whether the 86o was in fact being misread as 89. According to Berkey and Feldman the only way this could occur is if the cards themselves were assigned incongruous codes. So in principle we can go back over all the footage for that night and check whether the 8 or 9 appeared in any video footage from that night. If those cards appear on the board, we can check if they are misread on the graphics. Since the 8 appears on average in 5 out of 52 flop/turn/rivers, it shouldn't take more than 10 showdown hands to find that card. Same for the 9. One of those cards should appear on the flop/turn/river within 5 showdown hands. If Stones is using two decks, we would have to skip over every other showdown hand from the 86o hand. That could take twice the time, but still we shouldn't have to check more than 10 showdown hands.
I know someone else sent you this stream, and I don't know about the 8/9 shows on the flop, but it does end up in Postle's hand around the 30-32 minute mark.

He has 85, his opponent has 22, flop is 2XX, turn is the third, and he wins at showdown. The issue is you never get a clear look at his tabled hand since the stream doesn't show a good angle, but no reason to think it was wrong. He beat a flopped set, and the 8 showed up properly on his exact RFID reader.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:45 PM   #2416
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Can you say anything about Harlan aka HK from Harlan and Victims (can't make this **** up). Apparently he's up a lot which is surprising to say the least.

Exactly what im saying. I feel like they only tried it out with mike and probably added more players. We need to hear from regs in the room if this dude plays off stream and if so how he does. It scares me to think this guy we only figured out because it was so obvious. Its almost as they assumed that because the stream had such a low following noone would notice. Imagine if this happened on high stakes poker? After 2 episodes everyone would be questioning it.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:45 PM   #2417
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Keys on table is turning into grassy knoll, or jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:46 PM   #2418
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There have been several notifications about your posting in this thread. I'm not going to ban you but I am going to banish you for 24 hours from this thread. Take and breath, slow down, and we'll give you another chance in 24 hours.

If you post in this thread within the next 24 hours starting now I will ban you for three days.

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I think warning you would have been a better way to make it stop, as his more recent posts seemed fine to me. If you disagree with someone's posts, go ahead and point out what the problem is. If you think the posts are problematic, report them. Don't make the thread even worse by posting this crap in response to very one of his posts.

Anyway, hopefully we can all let it go now - and not complain the first instant he's back tomorrow.
the irony in this post is breathtaking
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:46 PM   #2419
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Yeah, I think it's smarter to follow the same evidence that's been used from the beginning - the results. Until someone can find hand histories where knowing the runout is the only way to explain plays, doesn't seem like there's a lot of point speculating in that direction.

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Cool. I know from experience that a lot of the time, all the "make it stop" type posts can ruin threads as much, or more, than the problematic poster. And it makes the thread more difficult to moderate. Just trying to make NVG mods' lives easier. Yeah, my post was one more to add to the derail, but if it means less of this tomorrow, it will be a net benefit - at least that's my dream.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:46 PM   #2420
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Technologically, how would it be possible at all to know run-outs? Keys on table, ect. it's turning from speculation into conspiracy theory territory. Joey watch what you throw out there, because people seem to take it and run with it.
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This type of cheating has occurred/is occuring at private home games.


Wiizwiig link explains it perfectly. It's incredibly easy to do
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:46 PM   #2421
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He's innocent.

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Old 10-03-2019, 10:47 PM   #2422
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Keys on table is turning into grassy knoll, or jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
That isn't the point.

The point is to make a hypothesis and then research it w/ the hand histories to confirm or not. If you're an investigator on property w/ access to security cameras, this is much easier to find out.

Watching the sessions he ran like god, the ones he didn't, the newer ones (how did the strat develop), the older ones, looking at the facts we know so far. Why would investigators never ask Mike about this?
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:49 PM   #2423
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Very sad for all the commentary team and vloggers who have lost their income btw. Just shows how greedy and psycho these theives were.

I imagine you'll get work at other streams tho!
Veronica will be good. She doesn't need commentator money.

Stones does employ a lot of really cool people who were working for the previous owners of Stones' licenses.

They will certainly be hurt if Stones goes down in flames. That's the saddest part to me.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:49 PM   #2424
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This is the most entertaining/sad situation since the airport scammer. I am amazed by the collective detective work by the community, however I can’t help but think nothing will happen to this guy or any others who may be found to be involved. If Chino, Brad Booth, Ferguson, etc can enter tournaments no problem then this situation isn’t going to have a satisfactory ending either. Perhaps the local authorities will get involved, but the casino probably dgaf about the other degens losing money to the guy and would want to just avoid the bad publicity and move on...
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:49 PM   #2425
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Technologically, how would it be possible at all to know run-outs? Keys on table, ect. it's turning from speculation into conspiracy theory territory. Joey watch what you throw out there, because people seem to take it and run with it.
https://youtu.be/bRgCvCTG_XQ?t=312

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The keys are on the table.
Yea I really don't know what to believe anymore, but that there are tons of different car-key-looking poker cheating devices, which read out coming cards and our known poker cheat has a headset and carkeys in front of him is hard to discard no matter what we've thought previously. Or it's a coincidence and a distraction. I don't even really care which it is, doesn't matter too much




^these are available in like, every different car brand there is, btw..
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