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Old 10-02-2019, 03:24 PM   #1201
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There’s many of us who occasionally watch the stream while we are playing. It hasn’t been allowed for some time now, but a lot of us playing did so and did often. And other players can confirm this.

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On top of that, I’m an agent with multiple players on a poker app. Constantly loading/withdrawing/transferring and coaching a few players. Again, some players sitting next to me can confirm this before the cell phone use was banned.
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I found these tweets interesting, he says that cell phone use was banned at some point. I'm curious when that happened and why.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:24 PM   #1202
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Sounds like Patrik Antonious without the hat... sorry.. you lot are baying for blood...
How??
You are accusing Stones of knowing and not reacting for ratings here.... oiihhhhh


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Old 10-02-2019, 03:26 PM   #1203
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I am adding my side to it as the one who performed the audit for 2018 results. The method I used was through Twitch as in almost all streams the !cashwin command was entered to display wins/losses for each player (with I believe one exception). I also did not include any results that were not NL and accounted for add-ons, however the !cashwin command only takes into account the actual winnings from hands, so chip count is irrelevant.

2/21/18
Stakes: 1/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $812
Stack at LH: $3k
Win/loss: +2.2K

4/19/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 3 hrs
Stack at FH: 2.2k
Stack at LH: 1.6k
Win/loss: -$600

5/23/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $960
Stack at LH: 2.3k
Win/loss: +1.4k

6/22/18
Stakes: 5/5/10
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $2k
Stack at LH: 1.4k
Win/loss: -3.5k

7/18/18
Stakes: 1/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $900
Stack at LH: 2.5k
Win/loss: $1.3k

7/30/18
Stakes: 1/2/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $500
Stack at LH: $4.3k
Win/loss: +2.5k

8/1/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1.6k
Stack at LH: $3.4k
Win/loss: +2k

8/3/18
Stakes: 5/5/10
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $3.6k
Stack at LH: $7.8k
Win/loss: [not shown]

8/6/18
Stakes: 1/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1k
Stack at LH: $3.3k
Win/loss: +2.3k

8/15/18
Stakes: 1/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $500
Stack at LH: $2.9k
Win/loss: $2.1k

8/22/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1.3k
Stack at LH: $5.2k
Win/loss: +4k

8/29/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1k
Stack at LH: $5.2k
Win/loss: +2.6k

9/5/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1.2k
Stack at LH: $6k
Win/loss: $2.8k

9/12/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1.8k
Stack at LH: $2.3k
Win/loss:+$500

9/15/18
Stakes: 1/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $700
Stack at LH: 6.1k
Win/loss: +$3.1k

9\24\18
Stakes: 1/2/3
Length of stream: 3 hrs
Stack at FH: $775
Stack at LH: 5k
Win/loss: +2.1k

9/26/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $3.7k
Stack at LH: $5.6k
Win/loss: +2.7k

10/10/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1k
Stack at LH: $3.9k
Win/loss: +$500

10/17/18
Stakes: 1/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1.7k
Stack at LH: $5.2k
Win/loss: $3.3k

10/19/18
Stakes: 5/10
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $3.6k
Stack at LH: $7k
Win/loss: $3.4k

10/20/18
Stakes: 1/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $580 (in for 2.9k)
Stack at LH: $3.6k
Win/loss:+$700

10/24/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1k
Stack at LH: $7k
Win/loss: $6k

10/29/18
Stakes: 1/2/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1100
Stack at LH: $4.6k
Win/loss: $1.3k

11/7/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $2.2k
Stack at LH: $6k
Win/loss: +3.6k

11/21
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1k
Stack at LH: $9.2k
Win/loss: $7.2k

11/28
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1k
Stack at LH: $6.2k
Win/loss: $5.2k

12/5/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $1k
Stack at LH: $8.1k
Win/loss: $$7k

12/12/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $800
Stack at LH: $5.9k
Win/loss: $4.7k

12/15/18
Stakes: 1/3
Length of stream: 4 hrs
Stack at FH: $800
Stack at LH: $11.7k
Win/loss: $8.9k

12/17/18
Stakes: 1/2/3
Length of stream: 3 hrs
Stack at FH: $700
Stack at LH: $8.7k
Win/loss: $6k
Added $2k

12/26/18
Stakes: 5/5
Length of stream: 3 hrs
Stack at FH: $700
Stack at LH: $8.7k
Win/loss: $6k
Added $2k
Holy ****.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:26 PM   #1204
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Don't know him,dont want to know him, but l will say , that some poker making history comments are being made on this thread and God help us all if he did cheat!!! OBW, stand for yourself and do not quote other people without their permission... sounds like if he told you to put your hand in a fire,you would

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When is it not appropriate to quote someone if its an accurate quoation?^^
I quoted the results he posted. And said that if they are correct than u can conclude through variance calculator that its next to 0 that he is not cheating.. There is no room for speculation in my statement. You can check the numbers yourself (Thats the beauty of math )
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:27 PM   #1205
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Given what's known now, here's a pretty hilarious Postle hand breakdown by Jonathan Little:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hPmOpd_wBs


lol this is epic. As I was watching all these Postle hands I thought, the only way to play against this MFer is to just call down with everything you have. Here’s the perfect example. Do you or anyone know what stream this hand is from?
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:29 PM   #1206
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You sre saying the Casino is not aware of this? Jesus, last time l was in one I had 5 guys surround me for scratching my ankle!! @fail

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No, casinos are too busy going around 86ing poker and slot vloggers to worry about actual cheating.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:30 PM   #1207
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completely disagree, his sizings are too brilliant, at worst he is a slightly above average player
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Absolutely. As Joey Ingram pointed out on his livestreams, Postle sizes to get the action he wants. Bets small to get a call from worse or to induce a bluff. Betting big when his opponents have a hand to call with. Not bluffing when his opponents are likely to call. He also uses his maniac image to get people to call light. His timing and sizing show a knowledge of poker - it's not simply bet when ahead, fold when behind, bluff when they're weak.
Obviously when he knows opponents cards, i am saying that its clear that he a donk fish from watching the way he plays knowing the cards...i can not give detils now i cant be bothered to back but its very evident he is not very good player isnt it?
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:31 PM   #1208
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But Joey said yesterday Postle is not cheating!

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There are 2 options.

He is cheating
He isn't cheating

There isn't another alternative. I said I didn't think he was cheating. The alternative is that he is cheating.

He is either the best player in the world or he is cheating.

I went over many many hands - nothing unjust.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:32 PM   #1209
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LOL. An actual Mike Postle quote: "It's so easy when you can see the cards"
Ooops! Nice find mate.
Did he maybe think that he wasn't on yet? Too many glasses of wine? All a coincidence tho guys, nothing to see here.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:34 PM   #1210
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I am adding my side to it as the one who performed the audit for 2018 results. The method I used was through Twitch as in almost all streams the !cashwin command was entered to display wins/losses for each player (with I believe one exception). I also did not include any results that were not NL and accounted for add-ons, however the !cashwin command only takes into account the actual winnings from hands, so chip count is irrelevant.
My man Alecspade who contributed the 2018 portion of this. I didn't put his name on my original as I didn't know if he wanted it out there. Glad we can see his 2018 totals as well.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:35 PM   #1211
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Well I'm certain that soundbite will find it's way into Doug's video now.
Oh look the Skip Bayless/Sean Hannity clone is investigating someone else for cheating again, nevermind the cheating in the poker community that he has done in the past LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:35 PM   #1212
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The streams are the proof. I'm not a lawyer but I think that by themselves they may be enough for a civil judgement. I haven't watched all of it or even most of it but what I have seen is obviously cheating.

Regarding his win rate, we need to get a better feel for the impact of the deepness, like what are the stacks in the 1/3 games at the start, half way through and near the end of each stream. $600/hr at 1/3 over 52 hours seems impossible no matter how you run but if stacks are 20K and you run hot it may not be unreasonable.
The problem comes in the fact that you have to convince a jury that may not understand poker nor be mathematically inclined that what he is doing in next to inpossible. Without any concrete proof I'm sure the trial lawyers here can chime in on how much of an uphill battle that would be.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:38 PM   #1213
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man i hate to victim blame, even a little, but every single time i see a new hand posted, it's actually insane how the opposition play. i mean in general, but even more especially against the guy KNOWN TO BE either a) a SICKO or b) a cheater/superuser!????

why are they squeezing trash hands oop vs this guy (again, known to be one of either a SICKO or SUPERUSER)? or 3betting 85o!? or just basically bloating pots with crap in general. lol its like his ev as a superuser should be 100bb/100 but they play in a way that makes it 400bb/100. they make it so much easier for him lol.
they just go super nuts, as nuts as him. in some of the hands it really looks like they can both see each others cards but dont know the other can
If you hate to victim blame then maybe you should stop. He was known to be a sicko or a whale on a heater. Either way, there is nothing wrong with playing hard against him. Many players play suboptimally, and that's neither a crime nor unethical. These players certainly don't deserve to have thousands of dollars stolen from them simply because they played hands in a way that you don't approve of.

If people seriously thought he was a superuser they probably wouldn't be playing with him. Commentators made jokes about him being a superuser or a god but they were just jokes.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:41 PM   #1214
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The problem comes in the fact that you have to convince a jury that may not understand poker nor be mathematically inclined that what he is doing in next to inpossible. Without any concrete proof I'm sure the trial lawyers here can chime in on how much of an uphill battle that would be.
It seems expert testimony would be all that is necessary. I wanna know what expert would go on the stand to testify that the data gathered is somehow not proof of cheating.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:42 PM   #1215
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Oh look the Skip Bayless/Sean Hannity clone is investigating someone else for cheating again, nevermind the cheating in the poker community that he has done in the past LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Either you have a counterargument against what they’re saying or you don’t. Why try to poison the well?
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:44 PM   #1216
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The craziest thing about this to me is how blatant it is. If I played in a streamed game with this guy I would have talked to the host about his weird phone use after like 3 orbits and taking his phone away. Before even seeing any weird hands. How did no one notice the phone stuff. Seems like you'd get suspicious based on that. Then watch one stream and it would be obvious.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:44 PM   #1217
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Obviously when he knows opponents cards, i am saying that its clear that he a donk fish from watching the way he plays knowing the cards...i can not give detils now i cant be bothered to back but its very evident he is not very good player isnt it?
For some of the hands yes. But for others, the way he traps/induces/exploits is opponents shows at least some decent level of poker knowledge. A random 1/2 rec player could not have done this.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:44 PM   #1218
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Justin Kuraitis is either in on it or grossly incompetent. Defending Mike Postle after it's blatantly apparent there is cheating going on. Either way he should be fired and investigated by the authorities.

Do not let this man keep his job people!
Yup, although we can't say for certain yet, it's definitely looking more and more likely that he was in on it in some way. Timeline of events....

Postle booked a win in 33/38 sessions in 2019. 3 of his 5 losses came between 6/15 and 7/24. Although he booked small wins in the 2 sessions prior (6/1 and 6/3) I don't think he was able to cheat during these games, but need to watch the full streams to say for certain.

By now, I'm pretty sure we've figured out how we was cheating except for the exact way the cards were sent to him (video on his phone, someone messaging him, direct access to the RFID system, etc.). But it's obvious he has something on his lap that he frequently looks down at it and has his hat tilted way down in front of his head so you can't see his eyes. If you watch the streams between June 1st and July 8th, he either wears his hat backwards during these games or does not wear a hat and has his phone out on the table by his chips.

Here's a timeline of events based on his results posted by js and Justin's location enabled on his tweets.

1/1/19-5/20/19 Mike P plays in 21 streams, winning about $105K and I believe wears a tilted frontwards hat in every stream, no phone on the table.
5/26 - 5/28 Justin heads to Vegas somewhere during these few days and as far as I can tell, does not return to Sacramento until the middle of July (7/12-7/16)
6/1-7/8 Mike plays on 5 streams wearing his hat backwards (4x) or no hat(1x) often has his phone out in front and loses $2700
7/12-7/16 Justin returns to Sacramento
7/20 Mike P returns to stream with frontwards hat and no phone in sight, wins $4200 at 1/3
7/22 need to watch this session but not sure if he was able to cheat or not that night. Wears a frontwards hat but weird up and down session and only wins $400
7/24 Back to the backwards hat and phone out, gets stacked twice for $2k and leaves game. I'm not sure what happened this session and possibly the 7/22 game, but something went wrong with his plan and he was unable to cheat that night. Worth noting that Justin is seen at the table shortly after Mike P gets stacked so he was there that night. This is probably the best evidence so far that Justin is innocent, although I believe something else was probably going on that made them lay low that night (ongoing investigation or concerns from other players, etc.)
7/31-9/21 back to the frontwards hat and books 9 winning sessions in a row, winning $55K.

I know none of this proves Justin was in on it in any way shape or form. It could easily be a coincidence that his time in Vegas coincided with the "external audit/investigation" or something else. I'm just saying a lot of these items seem suspicious and I think he definitely needs to be looked at closely.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:46 PM   #1219
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Look at how he moves his torso backwards when looking at his cards. He's clearly trying to see something in his lap. God damn lol if this man isn't prosecuted at the VERY least
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:47 PM   #1220
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Someone(s) should make sure we get a copy of the videos before Stones takes them down. We don't want to lose any evidence that might help land these guys in prison.

If nobody's done that to anyone's knowledge, I can start. I don't know how much HD space that's going to be, but I guess I can find out.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:49 PM   #1221
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With how unorthodox and non-nitty this dude plays, it should be basically no trouble to find him spewing off a stack.
Non nitty? Like calling off 200+bbs with 45 off suit preflop, and cold calling 4 bets with 95 off. Yet also folds KK preflop and just calls a tiny bet on the river with the nutflush. Seems legit.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:50 PM   #1222
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It's a little fun to think about what would be the optimal way to play against this guy knowing that he could see everyone's cards but him not knowing that you know that he can.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:51 PM   #1223
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So moving forward he will either not play the stream ever again (most likely) or play the stream and play noticably different with noticeably different win rate. Unless he can maintain these ridiculous win sessions in the future it *hopefully* could help any civil or criminal case against him
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:52 PM   #1224
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So moving forward he will either not play the stream ever again (most likely) or play the stream and play noticably different with noticeably different win rate. Unless he can maintain these ridiculous win sessions in the future it *hopefully* could help any civil or criminal case against him
Casino has denied it so why wouldn't he just keep doing it?
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:55 PM   #1225
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The problem comes in the fact that you have to convince a jury that may not understand poker nor be mathematically inclined that what he is doing in next to inpossible. Without any concrete proof I'm sure the trial lawyers here can chime in on how much of an uphill battle that would be.
Itd be much easier to prove a superuser is cheating to a jury of non poker players than it would be to prove someone was cheating with a gto solver. With a gto solver, youd need an understanding of game theory and ranges, the variability of inputs given to the solver by the player like ranges and bet sizes would be hard to replicate perfectly and would effect the outcome, gto itself is balanced so you have several actions you could take and youd still be "right". In chess its easy to see if someone is using AI if their moves follow the suggestions of the AI decision tree, but not in NLHE.

With a superuser, I think you could dumb it down so a jury could understand. plus you have all the other evidence of his win rate, his connection to and help setting up of Stones Live, player and commentator testimony, his past business ventures in apps specifically related to qrcodes and push notifications, the support of the top pros in the game that he is cheating. The only problem is,

Stones, which is not likely involved, will do everything in its power to not get caught simply because its bad for business. I think for justice in the courts, a civil case is the best path forward. Up to the players in the game though, havent heard them speak out, maybe they have and it just never reached us. I'm just glad we have Joey and Doug to help spread awareness, especially Joey since hes put so much time into this. And Im sure Dougs video is going to be amazing and funny as hell to watch.

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