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Old 10-07-2019, 04:07 AM   #5201
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I'm with Berkey; Justin is 100% culpable even if he's not directly involved with Postle cheating. There was an investigation and they found the allegations of cheating were "fabricated"? Let's see the receipts on that investigation. Justin obviously knew of Mike's reputation for crazy, unorthodox plays.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:07 AM   #5202
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This one is so so so weird. The commentator calls "red eight" in advance both times....a red 8 comes on each turn. Commentator is one who is saying super weird stuff in a lot of spots throughout these vids.

The plot to this, if it was a movie...I'd walk out due to sheer unbelievability. And yet here we are.
A player could have texted a commentator about a hand after it happened in real time but before it showed on the stream. There wouldn't be anything wrong with that.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:08 AM   #5203
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September 15th, 2018
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Mike is playing session with God Mode

Postle calls down with 3rd pair. However, he shoves river vs opponent that can't call: https://youtu.be/hqq-FCkt4Mk?t=12150
Lol, he won't check call river because he knows that would be too obvious he is superusing so he just ships himself
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:12 AM   #5204
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Thanks for making my case.

Those commentators are almost certainly not in on it.
I’m sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:12 AM   #5205
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Lol, he won't check call river because he knows that would be too obvious he is superusing so he just ships himself
At this point (September 15, 2018) yes. However, I could be wrong but I think in later sessions he probably would have check called with his bluff catcher in this spot. Posters have been saying he was being too obvious about his cheating. It wouldn't surprise me if he was more cautious early on but then after he got away with cheating for many months he probably just started maximizing his EV in a lot of spots without as much concern for being caught.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:15 AM   #5206
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On the one hand, it doesn't seem like it makes sense for any of the commentators to have had a hand in this stuff.

On the other hand, the bizarre way they talk and behave and seem to contort themselves to defend Postle's crazy plays and winning ways just seems really suspect in hindsight.

I feel bad if/that they are innocent and are being dragged through the mud, just more casualties of Mike P's behavior.
Hold on here. So; if someone drags a commentator's name through the mud, you blame MP for that and not the person who dragged the name through the mud? "We have a villain, I can do all the mud dragging and simply blame it on villain's behavior!" Does that make any logical sense?
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:20 AM   #5207
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Hold on here. So; if someone drags a commentator's name through the mud, you blame MP for that and not the person who dragged the name through the mud? Seriously, what's wrong with people these days? It's attitudes like that that allow people's name to be dragged through the mud in the first place: "we have a villain, I can do all the mud dragging and simply blame it on villain's behavior!" Does that make any logical sense?
I blame the villain in that the paranoia which has ensued has clearly spilled over to anyone in Mike P's general vicinity during these games. Folks have questioned players and tech people and commentators.

Some of the questions, in my opinion, are worth asking. The fact that most likely there are innocents caught in this web is ABSOLUTELY Mike's fault, because without his poor behavior the questions would never have arisen.

Are people dragging JFK through the mud? If he's innocent, heck yes. But most would agree he seems less than innocent, certainly incompetent at best. However, even an incompetent employee doesn't quite deserve to be implicated in this kind of scandal, and that's nobody's fault but the bad actor in question.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:20 AM   #5208
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Hold on here. So; if someone drags a commentator's name through the mud, you blame MP for that and not the person who dragged the name through the mud? "We have a villain, I can do all the mud dragging and simply blame it on villain's behavior!" Does that make any logical sense?
Wait. Weren't you the guy with the great faith in the logic of the average person?
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:21 AM   #5209
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At this point (September 15, 2018) yes. However, I could be wrong but I think in later sessions he probably would have check called with his bluff catcher in this spot. Posters have been saying he was being too obvious about his cheating. It wouldn't surprise me if he was more cautious early on but then after he got away with cheating for many months he probably just started maximizing his EV in a lot of spots without as much concern for being caught.
Yea.

It's really funny how mike's approach on the turn changes from hand to hand

Mike makes a super light call on the turn in this hand (https://youtu.be/hqq-FCkt4Mk?t=12150) and just folds the turn when he floats the flop and hits top pair against a set (JTo x 99)
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:22 AM   #5210
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:26 AM   #5211
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The casino is going to get sued. All employees have probably been directed to be quiet, ESPECIALLY JFK.
#investigateJFK
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:26 AM   #5212
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With the apparently lax security controls in place, I'm no longer sure about Justin's involvement in this, nor anyone else's involvement outside of Mike. I do think Mike had one accomplice, maybe more. I think it's highly likely.

But my original assumptions about who this had to be were wrong. With server doors apparently unlocked, free movement of people in and out of the control room, mobile phones in the control room during broadcast, etc., etc., it's hard to say what really happened there now.

I had assumed that only a small number of people would be able to hack their systems (have the necessary physical access), and/or have the authority to approve changes to enable the hack (e.g. changes to a server configuration, to loading an application on a server, etc.).

But now I'm not so sure.
I hear you on this. My hypothesis is that there is at least one tech working with Mike that has access to the pokerGFX server. There has been too many instances of RFID glitches/ cards changing to cover up plays. There must be some correlation between when Mike Postle has hole-card access and when a tech is working.

If Mike Postle doesn't have the ability to remote into the pokerGFX server to see the cards in real-time, a tech that does have access must send him this information, possibly via text or SMS. In this scenario, the tech might as well just give Mike Postle access.

If Mike Postle has the ability to remote into the pokerGFX server, a tech must make sure the server is available to Mike Postle via configurations and by letting him know which network and credentials to use. Also, remote access is generally not anonymous. Logs are created and it is usually evident, in most cases, when someone is remoted in because they have access to the mouse. A tech must be there to make sure that no outsiders see the unauthorized logins.

But, if there are no guards or locks in the pokerGFX server is Mike Postle could very well be a one man show but I'm just not sure how capable he is of this. I feel like there must be insiders for him to have got away with it for so long.

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Old 10-07-2019, 04:28 AM   #5213
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Wait. Weren't you the guy with the great faith in the logic of the average person?
Faith is not infallible!
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:28 AM   #5214
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Along with the video that was shared today by me, I said I would upload the complete Time-Lapse.


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Old 10-07-2019, 04:29 AM   #5215
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pSU...outu.be&t=5822

god >

0:17 , 0:44 who tells dealer to tell JD to reregister cards? , 0:50 , 0:56

ungodly >

1:38 , 1:56 , 2:02 lol , 2:33 no bluff from god?

2:18 gets up fr table next hand 2:21 pressed hands on hat OFF
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:31 AM   #5216
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Re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

I can see why the commentators would say these things. We clearly now have a hindsight bias. If fact, people are seeing cheating in every hand now, which is not necessarily the case.

I agree that an experienced poker professional in that booth for multiple nights of cheating would definitely start to ask questions. And when someone told him of Mike's win rate, game over.

These commentators are not killing high stakes poker, clearly. They are there for jokes and to keep things moving. Sure, they are probably decent poker players, and I'm sure they were thinking some of those hands were really strange.

But you can see where a sort of group mentality takes over. Mike is incredible! Mike has fantastic reads! Mike always gets there (hence he incredible win rate of late, simply variance, right?). And I'm sure he became a mini-celebrity, helping to increase ratings, etc. All of this would make it very difficult for someone to say, "Hey, this is really strange, something is going on..." Especially when, after saying that, Justin was on hand to tell you that a thorough investigation had already been done, and everything was fine. So why are you causing issues when we've already looked into this, huh?

That's why Veronica was so brave. She really had to go against the entire group to make her case, and she was being gas lit while doing it. And probably knowing she would be asked to leave.

When you are being paid money and given air time to be enthusiastic about Mike and his incredibly plays, it's very hard to start to question that. It's so much easier to flash a meme and laugh at another soul read, keep the gravy train going.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:31 AM   #5217
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Thanks for making my case.

Those commentators are almost certainly not in on it.
I think it's very possible they are involved on some level. Not thinking they are getting a % or anything, more likely something like this:

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It's so hilarious to me that in so many hands these commentators are basically sucking Mike off but also doing it with comparing him to a poker bot etc.

The only 2 I have found so far that have even questioned his play are Kasey and Veronica; and when they do, the co-commentator just tries to brush it off and move on.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mike was tipping the comms crew and/or buying them dinner and drinks to keep them on side.

The streams are 4 hours? Can't be more than 150-200 bucks per show for the commentary team (still a nice hourly tho). But yeah if a dude who is winning all the time then comes and tips you the odd hundo here and there, you are def gonna 'root' for him a bit more.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:32 AM   #5218
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https://twitter.com/BL42024/status/1181118810184716288

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god >

0:17 , 0:44 who tells dealer to tell JD to reregister cards? , 0:50 , 0:56

ungodly >

1:38 , 1:56 , 2:02 lol , 2:33 no bluff from god?

where am I off?

2:18 gets up fr table next hand 2:21 pressed hands on hat OFF
where am I wrong? plz help if im off yall
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:35 AM   #5219
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I’m sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about.
Well, it didn't make sense to me that a commentator who was in on it would be drawing attention to the fact that Mike was making plays like he could see his opponent's cards, but now that you've made a compelling case with this reply, I'm convinced.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:40 AM   #5220
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just another 10 10 fold on turn that should call 10000% of the time lol

https://youtu.be/WaWPHGvuqDg?t=8100 2:15:00
Wow, mister lag who has top pair magically finds another fold. Cheating scumbag
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:42 AM   #5221
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It is almost like the commentators can see all the hole cards! Their constant inane chatter just makes me think "California Airhead" every time I hear them on a clip. Half the commenting staff can't even spell poker. Who hired these people? I think it just highlights the incompetence of the whole operation.
The commentators are an embarrassment to poker. Doubt they're in on it, but they don't come across as too bright.

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Old 10-07-2019, 04:43 AM   #5222
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This is a perfect example what I was saying in my previous post.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=WaWPHGvuqDg

Watch from 27.00 into this stream. Random crap talk about '1 win, 1 loss, draw' regarding two players holding AQ. Put it this way, if someone is this clueless about poker, why are they commentating on it? IMO this nonsense talk is just a cover for when MP pulls off his ridiculous plays.

In the same video around the 28.10 mark you see Kasey Mills again hanging around, chatting to Mike. I have never seen a poker production team that are either kissing his backside or closely closely to one of the players. If this was say James Hartigan or a Norman Chad chatting mainly to him, bigger this player up, inviting him into the booth continuously & celebrating when a particular player won a pot....you would find it strange?

Lastly (same vid) watch the commentators both celebrate when Mike pulls off another outstanding call with J3 at 3.24.40, when his opponent river bluffs with AQ.


It's absolutely revolting to watch.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:46 AM   #5223
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Well, it didn't make sense to me that a commentator who was in on it would be drawing attention to the fact that Mike was making plays like he could see his opponent's cards, but now that you've made a compelling case with this reply, I'm convinced.
Im not going to sit here and argue with you why or why not the commentators are innocent when any sane person watching this knows they are at the very least a possible suspect. I know if this was my casino I definitely wouldn't be hiring you to investigate for me. There is a reason the majority of the community including Joey and Doug at least acknowledge that the commentators behaviour are ridiculous in a very large sample of time frames. If you don't agree with me that is your opinion and its also the minority opinion so please go bother someone else.
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:47 AM   #5224
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Druff did 2 shows on this, worth a listen: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/fo...12-Radio-Shows
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Old 10-07-2019, 04:47 AM   #5225
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You guys are seeing ghosts everywhere, Its pretty clear he's just watching a football game or some sporting event.
"pretty clear"

Ok, I'm willing to listen.

What exactly is he watching and who are his actions directed at at? and how do you know this?
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