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BTW Mike Postle can almost entirely clear his name right this moment by having his mobile carrier as well as ISP provide un-redacted txt messages/emails and phone call log times to his local PD.

The odds that there would be no incriminating txts, calls, or e-mails since Aug 2018 are slim to none. So I'm sure we'll be seeing those any time now and we'll all owe MP a great big apology.

I would not give the police permission to view my daughter's phone as a minor let alone my own. I get your point, but only a glutton for punishment would willingly turn **** over to law enforcement. Been there, done that.....

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10-04-2019 , 06:03 PM

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DevoGKT

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Originally Posted by Philbo

If there was an accomplice - which I think is the most likely scenario - that person(s) will be facing some real heat from Stone’s/gaming commission, who will have access to info that can be used to put a lot of pressure on them. I think it’s pretty likely we see someone crack.

Agreed, I actually think stones will come down hard on who ever is involved to save face and try to repair the reputation of the room. I hope to see jail time. Couldn’t every pot count as one charge?

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10-04-2019 , 06:03 PM

#3303

Loctus

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Originally Posted by thisisfourwords

I actually think this theory is close.

That theory says that he's staring at the phone in his crotch every other hand to.... Click accept incoming call. That he can't just do that without staring down for a few seconds every minute. That they would use the ****ing phone call function for a cheat like that instead of an app (when Postle used to literally run a custom-phone-app company). I mean, I agree that Postle's IQ isn't in the Newton range, but I think he could manage to click that green accept call button without staring down in the middle of every hand he plays.

You guys are from outer space or something, or you haven't even thought of what the things you write mean

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10-04-2019 , 06:03 PM

#3304

Natamus

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Serious LOL at sending long defensive messages in group chats with playing resume (that player was Durrrrrr!) and going on The Mouth’s podcast to “tell your side of things”

If I’m accused of cheating/stealing six figures I would be stating a strong, short denial (if I said anything at all) and lawyering up.

I mean dude your name just got drug through the mud on ESPN in prime time, and you’re going on The Mouth podcast to clear the air? Bro do you even legal?

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10-04-2019 , 06:04 PM

#3305

PrecisionPunting

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Originally Posted by wiiziwiig

Do you have the timestamp on Joey's latest stream by any chance?

Yea, Matt Berkey is going talk about this in depth on his live stream on Friday on his Solve For Why yt channel, hes familiar with RFID tech

Yes timestamps one hour and 37 minutes and 38 seconds into joeys investigation #4. This is his bracelet device. Here it is in action at 2 hours and 9 minutes when he has k5 clubs he is aiming his camera at the table like a barcode scanner. We usually miss this motion due to camera angles and long sleeves they probably try to conceal this bracelet because you can see a small silver lens on it. This is probably synonymous with his looking down motion with the under armor hat. He’s not getting signals from someone he’s aiming a camera in his hat when he looks down, same as with the keys, same as with the bracelet.

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10-04-2019 , 06:05 PM

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archii

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Originally Posted by thisisfourwords

I actually think this theory is close.

People wouldnt see him answering the phone and having line open though? Also, people have said that, at least at some point, many players were watching the 30 min delayed stream. If he simply had a non-delayed stream it could go undetected.

I think it's more likey he gets some sort of data to his phone in text and this is being read to him my machine, or that he simply reads the data.

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10-04-2019 , 06:05 PM

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PeteBlow

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I’ve just reached post 3000, so forgive me if I haven’t read this yet, but..

That James Bond card reading video wasn’t new to me. It has been posted on here before, quite a while ago. I wonder if that’s where the inspiration came from.

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10-04-2019 , 06:06 PM

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wtfdidido

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Originally Posted by OG_Thizz

Game stays at the same table. They do change out the decks though.

By change out the deck you mean non-RFID cards?

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10-04-2019 , 06:08 PM

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kep

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I think there's a decent chance Matusow is just trolling for attention and there is no interview with Postle.

My popcorn is ready tho.

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10-04-2019 , 06:10 PM

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Yaksha

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Originally Posted by archii

I know Mike is cheating. It's like as close to 100% as can be.

But is there some real hard evidence? They have had a few days to get rid of all evidence other than the videos. I'm just wondering when the l lawsuits start piling is there enough to convict the guy? I mean I dont know of stream videos are enough..

Jury and judge could think there is reasonable doubt..

I think at a certain point, the line between damning circumstantial evidence, and so-called "hard" evidence is meaningless. People are convicted on strong circumstantial evidence all the time.

This is essentially the same as finding DNA at the scene. Police just find some random organic material. It doesn't "prove" the suspect was there, it only gives a 99.999999999% chance. How is this any different? The maths of this are equally undeniable (if not more so). There's no way you can understand poker well, look at this evidence, and have any doubt at all, let alone reasonable.

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10-04-2019 , 06:13 PM

#3311

Grind On My Mind

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Originally Posted by Dvicious

Not exactly he could easily have a seperate phone/device for this

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10-04-2019 , 06:14 PM

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kep

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Originally Posted by Yaksha

I think just a side by side comparison of Postle making super human plays while cheating and hands from streams where he is not cheating would be very convincing.

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10-04-2019 , 06:14 PM

#3313

wiiziwiig

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Matt Berkey Podcast just released, not a livestream like i thought it was

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10-04-2019 , 06:15 PM

#3314

archii

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Originally Posted by Yaksha

I agree with you. There is no doubt. But will they get a judge who know dick about poker? Or some old fart to whom it's just another gambling fraud case.

But like others have pointed out there is data from is phone that probably can be pulled back even if he destroyed his phone and buried it deep into the woods.

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10-04-2019 , 06:16 PM

#3315

wiiziwiig

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Originally Posted by PrecisionPunting

Oh, Ive seen that video, I meant do you know where I can find Mike Postle with the bracelet.

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10-04-2019 , 06:16 PM

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Yaksha

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Originally Posted by archii

I think it's more likey he gets some sort of data to his phone in text and this is being read to him my machine, or that he simply reads the data.

This is my feel too, he switches it up from reading / using bone conduction. Maybe he's concerned about other people hearing it sometimes when there's a lull in table chat. That might account for the times he does that hands-pressing-his-head thing in the middle of hands, wanting to cover the sound, and doesn't think it's a safe spot to try and read the phone.

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10-04-2019 , 06:17 PM

#3317

ace_in_the_hole

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Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who's made contributions to this thread/investigation. This has been a riveting way to pass the time at work.

The traffic on this site must be off the charts this week

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10-04-2019 , 06:19 PM

#3318

Yaksha

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Originally Posted by archii

I agree with you. There is no doubt. But will they get a judge who know dick about poker? Or some old fart to whom it's just another gambling fraud case.

Sportscenter did a decent job in three minutes, so I gotta believe a good prosecutor will be able to distill the maths involved for people. Just show them the potripper + postle graph. Anyone who looks at that is going to go "oh, yeah, okay **** that guy".

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10-04-2019 , 06:22 PM

#3319

a dewd

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Originally Posted by Yaksha

Very easy to provide reasonable doubt to a jury if they don't get someone to flip.

This would/should be pled out.

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10-04-2019 , 06:22 PM

#3320

thisisfourwords

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Originally Posted by Loctus

Reasonable that person in the back would not be sending info on every hand. Possible Mike just's waiting until signal goes off, then takes down the hand.

No signal, he let's it go. Like the AK hand and the QJ hand.

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10-04-2019 , 06:22 PM

#3321

SuitedJunk

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Originally Posted by MrFabulous

Come on guys, he ain´t using a magic bracelet or an RFID hack. Neither is he watching the stream on his phone. That would have been seen by someone sitting next to him. Too obvious.

Here is what he has done:
Bone Conduction, we have never seen him without his cap. That headset is connected via bluetooth with his phone.
The 2nd guy has to see the raw data of the stream and tells him the hands.

But why those strange crotch movements?
a) Because he has to accept the incoming calls. And they can´t have the line open for five hours as the 2nd guy probably needs to leave the room or gets disturbed.
b) Bluetooth disconnects and he has to reconnect
c) both a) and b)

That makes way more sense than some genius hacks.

In order to crack the case simply look at his phone records.

That's what I'm saying....no one understands bone conducting... think for people here we need to just say wireless audio concealed communication

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10-04-2019 , 06:22 PM

#3322

lovedaphils

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So one livestream went off at Stones after info came out?

Anyone been down there, ear to ground? Are seats/tables being filled?

Are players in the know or not reaally aware? Or are they acting like it's something to do with other players on the live stream and they are still ok with Stones?

Just kind of curious as to the reaction there.

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10-04-2019 , 06:23 PM

#3323

Grind On My Mind

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Originally Posted by wiiziwiig

Matt Berkey Podcast just released, not a livestream like i thought it was

Great video. My question is, if phones were only banned a couple months ago why has Mike Postle been hiding his in his lap for the last 3 years????

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10-04-2019 , 06:24 PM

#3324

PeteBlow

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Can’t get my head around Matusow getting the first interview.
It’s like Madoff turning down Rogan to go on PokerFraudAlert

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10-04-2019 , 06:25 PM

#3325

zedsdead

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Originally Posted by Yaksha

DOnt think you have to worry about people around you being able to hear your bone conduction headphones.

From google:

These devices decode sound waves and convert them into vibrations that can be received directly by the Cochlea so the eardrum is never involved.

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