This is where a majority of the in-depth discussion and news has broken outside of Twitter which is a cluster****., yes

My theory is that all the memes and the non stop talk about how Postle was great poker player gaslighted lots people/players and viewers that he really was a great player. I mean it seems like Postle was some kind of local legend only known to players at Stones.

Also if anyone had concerns they likely brought those concerns to Justin who may or may not be in it (but is at least a good friend of Postle) and reassured them that everything was on the up and up.

Players also don't like to bring up cheating allegations if they aren't 100% certain.

One other thing that I have just noticed is that they use different brand RFID decks.

Sometimes the Faded Spade brand, sometimes a more generic looking deck.

It could be they use different systems based on what deck is in play.

Justin, what would you suggest we do to make this forum better?

[QUOTE=zedsdead;55479980]Yea but the pro’s usually only play in a game or two.
Nobody whose any good at poker was consistently tuning into Stones Live every week.
As said before, a few hands in isolation could be explained at him getting lucky. Right time right place.
When people starting see exactly how many rediculous hands there were, it became obvious.[/QUOTEc]




Many people appear to have had questions for quite a while, including some who played in the game after having at least some suspicions. Add up all of the eyes that were involved directly or indirectly, most being poker players, and the biggest idiots look like those who play poker, and either played in the game or watched multiple suspicious hands. They think they are geniuses now, but.....

hi justin

You are upset you have been outed as Justin on here? Wait until the criminal investigation starts, possible jail time is a reality and your assets are seized.

His response is a bunch of garbage. Not once does he address the things he's accused of but rather deflects on his past history as a player.

Ok dude, even if you *were* a legitimate good poker player in the Pre-BF era and might have donked some games online, it still doesn't mean you can crush games 10 years later when poker gameplay theory has evolved exponentially.

Address the accusations. Talk us through some specific hands and your thought process.

I can see why a player who's struggling to make a living because he's *now* a below-average poker player would take an edge like this at this game, especially knowing his cheating-inclined background as confessed by his brother.. Maybe hoped to have more big games in his future.

I also think that Justin is prob guilty. What I meant was why is Justins presence needed. (When he was in Vegas postle stopped owning etc.)

https://clips.twitch.tv/OddRockyMooseHumbleLife

30 seconds of Postle losing a hand and acting like a normal human. Look at how tilted he looks. Compare this to the 88vTT hand and the nut flush v straight flush.

No chance this happens. We already have one of his SNs from his time period and he is staying silent on it as the results are very unimpressive. 30% ROI at best on $50 avg. buy-in, with 1 pretty large bink in there. Factor in rebuys and the results are worse.

When he says top 10 in P5s it's possible he was high in the rankings for USA after the bink, briefly.

Justin, i've read every post.

In fact, i've been obsessed with this thread lately.

It's just weird that you appear out of the blue defending yourself.

Please understand.

to his credit, he was so feared player back then on UB, everyone was afraid to even mention his name but this poor guy JeffM who played 2/4 no limit holdem with him.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...=yngmann4quiki

Maybe.

But you are looking back with perfect info. At the time (assuming Justin is guilty), they had been doing this for over a year with zero repercussions. They probably felt invincible, that they were committing the perfect crime.

Also, Justin and his team were clearly building up certain players as stars (not just Mike, but he was the prototype). I'm sure Justin was using the way he marketed Mike to promote himself and his work. So he could not just benefit from the cheating directly, but also legitimately, in a professional sense. For example, "I'm building brands like "Mike the God" on my streams, which has helped increase viewership by over 400%, generating more revenue for my clients," etc., etc. So it's win-win: get a % of Mike's winnings, plus promote himself as a genius Producer in the process (assuming he's guilty).

Sure, it's also insane to think he would get away with it, now that they were caught. But having pulled this off for so long, it's not surprising they just assumed the gravy train would never derail.

Remember a week ago, Veronika was a disgruntled employee, a "thorough" investigation found nothing, RFID cards are "unreliable" meaning who knows what he really had, etc., etc.. The perfect crime, right? Look how fast things changed.

Ya P5s rankings from 2007 or whatever mean nothing. Hell if Phil Ivey can be rumored to be busto in 2019 than I think its possible that a 16 year pro that no one heard of until a few days ago could also be hurting for cash.

Having said that I think these stones game are super soft from what I've seen. He could even be a decent winner in the games without cheating. Obviously it's impossible to put up that god like winrate even for the best player in the world.

Tom Dwaaaannnn lolololololol

https://clips.twitch.tv/CallousRealGoldfishBrokeBack

Postle finding an incorrect flop fold with top top to a $300 bet and a call.

Remember this is the guy peeling 45o for 3k pre

This is from the $5/5 game on the 9/18

How do I post a Tweet here? I linked to it using the Twitter button on the top right of this box, but nothing showed up.

thanks for posting this! he did an amazing job summarizing the situation to the general public.

Underated post. Pretty much this.

Occam's razor.

Anyone know if pokertableratings can still do searches or is company fully disbanded? They could have info on Mike's cashgame results.

This is meaningless. Anyone here could write a response that post-rationalises it based on what they’ve seen on the streams.

There is nothing he can do to prove his innocence other than grind out another meaningful sample with a comparable win rate without a hat on and a phone in his lap.

I believe Faded Spade was a sponsor at one point (maybe up to present), I remember they gave away some decks on stream.

mikes p5s profile from 2007:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070608.../yngmanN4quiki

the best way is to go LATB and play for a month.

put Gman, Andy, Nick, Art against him.

if he can win consecutively against them for many sessions, that will speak volumes of his godly skills he claims to have.