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Old 10-04-2019, 03:40 AM   #2801
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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Is this the frontline on this site for this story?

I'd like to comment from a unique perspective on this issue. I believe I can make a meaningful contribution to the poker community, beginning with my analysis on this story. Can someone direct me to where the action usually is on this site? I'd like to commit to the poker community as my priority to enhance everybody's experience.

Thank you.

I am Eden Rocks.
This is where a majority of the in-depth discussion and news has broken outside of Twitter which is a cluster****., yes
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:40 AM   #2802
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Now, this is a valid point.

How come no one has outed him sooner? This is mind-boggling to me.

I mean, guy has been blatantly cheating for ages!

Have we poker players became complacent to cheating?
My theory is that all the memes and the non stop talk about how Postle was great poker player gaslighted lots people/players and viewers that he really was a great player. I mean it seems like Postle was some kind of local legend only known to players at Stones.

Also if anyone had concerns they likely brought those concerns to Justin who may or may not be in it (but is at least a good friend of Postle) and reassured them that everything was on the up and up.

Players also don't like to bring up cheating allegations if they aren't 100% certain.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:41 AM   #2803
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One other thing that I have just noticed is that they use different brand RFID decks.

Sometimes the Faded Spade brand, sometimes a more generic looking deck.

It could be they use different systems based on what deck is in play.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:42 AM   #2804
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People like you, who obviously havent read every post, especially of mine, are the reasons forums like this are ghost towns, and the reason that many people with insights to add dont post. And it is also the reason that once I log out I will never post again, because I created an email account at a site I will never use, and dont remember my password there...or here.

So enjoy it while you can. People who say Hi Justin, or any other Hi James in threads were there is a view they disagree with are the worst posters on the Internet and forums, and generally have nothing of value to add. You are the laziest, worst types of posters, and you ruin forums.
Justin, what would you suggest we do to make this forum better?
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:43 AM   #2805
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[QUOTE=zedsdead;55479980]Yea but the pro’s usually only play in a game or two.
Nobody whose any good at poker was consistently tuning into Stones Live every week.
As said before, a few hands in isolation could be explained at him getting lucky. Right time right place.
When people starting see exactly how many rediculous hands there were, it became obvious.[/QUOTEc]




Many people appear to have had questions for quite a while, including some who played in the game after having at least some suspicions. Add up all of the eyes that were involved directly or indirectly, most being poker players, and the biggest idiots look like those who play poker, and either played in the game or watched multiple suspicious hands. They think they are geniuses now, but.....
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:44 AM   #2806
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People like you, who obviously havent read every post, especially of mine, are the reasons forums like this are ghost towns, and the reason that many people with insights to add dont post. And it is also the reason that once I log out I will never post again, because I created an email account at a site I will never use, and dont remember my password there...or here.

So enjoy it while you can. People who say Hi Justin, or any other Hi James in threads were there is a view they disagree with are the worst posters on the Internet and forums, and generally have nothing of value to add. You are the laziest, worst types of posters, and you ruin forums.
hi justin
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:44 AM   #2807
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People who say Hi Justin, or any other Hi James in threads were there is a view they disagree with are the worst posters on the Internet and forums, and generally have nothing of value to add. You are the laziest, worst types of posters, and you ruin forums.
You are upset you have been outed as Justin on here? Wait until the criminal investigation starts, possible jail time is a reality and your assets are seized.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:46 AM   #2808
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His response is a bunch of garbage. Not once does he address the things he's accused of but rather deflects on his past history as a player.

Ok dude, even if you *were* a legitimate good poker player in the Pre-BF era and might have donked some games online, it still doesn't mean you can crush games 10 years later when poker gameplay theory has evolved exponentially.

Address the accusations. Talk us through some specific hands and your thought process.

I can see why a player who's struggling to make a living because he's *now* a below-average poker player would take an edge like this at this game, especially knowing his cheating-inclined background as confessed by his brother.. Maybe hoped to have more big games in his future.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:49 AM   #2809
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Justin is needed to get access to the data in the first place, and to make sure you don't get caught doing so. Without Justin, you have to figure out a strategy to sniff the data (already discussed how RFID readers would need to be very close and likely obvious), or hack into the booth's computers or networks somehow, all while not getting noticed by Justin, who's being told that players and commentators are suspecting foul play.

If you're Postle and Justin is not on your side, you have to worry about Justin finding out and then banning you and pressing charges. From Postle's perspective, that seems a lot riskier. With Justin being involved, you just need technology to get it from the booth's computers to Mike, which is pretty simple. You also don't have to worry nearly as much about getting caught since the person in charge of catching you is in on it. When there's an internal investigation, Justin runs it and conveniently finds out its all "fabrications." That makes the whole operation way less risky.

With Justin in on it, this whole story is so simple. The technology is simple, the explanations for why commentators and players raising suspicions and being dismissed are simple. If Justin is innocent, at a minimum he's awful at his job, and the level of sophistication required to get to where Postle got to goes up orders of magnitude.

Justin is guilty.
I also think that Justin is prob guilty. What I meant was why is Justins presence needed. (When he was in Vegas postle stopped owning etc.)
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:52 AM   #2810
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https://clips.twitch.tv/OddRockyMooseHumbleLife

30 seconds of Postle losing a hand and acting like a normal human. Look at how tilted he looks. Compare this to the 88vTT hand and the nut flush v straight flush.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:52 AM   #2811
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His response is a bunch of garbage. Not once does he address the things he's accused of but rather deflects on his past history as a player.

Ok dude, even if you *were* a legitimate good poker player in the Pre-BF era and might have donked some games online, it still doesn't mean you can crush games 10 years later when poker gameplay theory has evolved exponentially.

Address the accusations. Talk us through some specific hands and your thought process.

I can see why a player who's struggling to make a living because he's *now* a below-average poker player would take an edge like this at this game, especially knowing his cheating-inclined background as confessed by his brother.. Maybe hoped to have more big games in his future.
No chance this happens. We already have one of his SNs from his time period and he is staying silent on it as the results are very unimpressive. 30% ROI at best on $50 avg. buy-in, with 1 pretty large bink in there. Factor in rebuys and the results are worse.

When he says top 10 in P5s it's possible he was high in the rankings for USA after the bink, briefly.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:53 AM   #2812
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

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People like you, who obviously havent read every post, especially of mine, are the reasons forums like this are ghost towns, and the reason that many people with insights to add dont post. And it is also the reason that once I log out I will never post again, because I created an email account at a site I will never use, and dont remember my password there...or here.

So enjoy it while you can. People who say Hi Justin, or any other Hi James in threads were there is a view they disagree with are the worst posters on the Internet and forums, and generally have nothing of value to add. You are the laziest, worst types of posters, and you ruin forums.
Justin, i've read every post.

In fact, i've been obsessed with this thread lately.

It's just weird that you appear out of the blue defending yourself.

Please understand.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:53 AM   #2813
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to his credit, he was so feared player back then on UB, everyone was afraid to even mention his name but this poor guy JeffM who played 2/4 no limit holdem with him.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...=yngmann4quiki
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:53 AM   #2814
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It would be kind of ludicrous, for Justin, to bring your partner in crime on the live stream to grill him about some of the most blatant cheating hands he's played. Especially since Justin would have to be responsible for changing the hand to 8s9s to cover up obvious cheating... Now he's going to expose some other ridiculous hands? Doesn't make any sense. Plus the fact that Justin is putting up his good job, reputation, jail time ect. at risk.
Maybe.

But you are looking back with perfect info. At the time (assuming Justin is guilty), they had been doing this for over a year with zero repercussions. They probably felt invincible, that they were committing the perfect crime.

Also, Justin and his team were clearly building up certain players as stars (not just Mike, but he was the prototype). I'm sure Justin was using the way he marketed Mike to promote himself and his work. So he could not just benefit from the cheating directly, but also legitimately, in a professional sense. For example, "I'm building brands like "Mike the God" on my streams, which has helped increase viewership by over 400%, generating more revenue for my clients," etc., etc. So it's win-win: get a % of Mike's winnings, plus promote himself as a genius Producer in the process (assuming he's guilty).

Sure, it's also insane to think he would get away with it, now that they were caught. But having pulled this off for so long, it's not surprising they just assumed the gravy train would never derail.

Remember a week ago, Veronika was a disgruntled employee, a "thorough" investigation found nothing, RFID cards are "unreliable" meaning who knows what he really had, etc., etc.. The perfect crime, right? Look how fast things changed.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:58 AM   #2815
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No chance this happens. We already have one of his SNs from his time period and he is staying silent on it as the results are very unimpressive. 30% ROI at best on $50 avg. buy-in, with 1 pretty large bink in there. Factor in rebuys and the results are worse.

When he says top 10 in P5s it's possible he was high in the rankings for USA after the bink, briefly.
Ya P5s rankings from 2007 or whatever mean nothing. Hell if Phil Ivey can be rumored to be busto in 2019 than I think its possible that a 16 year pro that no one heard of until a few days ago could also be hurting for cash.

Having said that I think these stones game are super soft from what I've seen. He could even be a decent winner in the games without cheating. Obviously it's impossible to put up that god like winrate even for the best player in the world.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:58 AM   #2816
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Tom Dwaaaannnn lolololololol
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:59 AM   #2817
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https://clips.twitch.tv/CallousRealGoldfishBrokeBack

Postle finding an incorrect flop fold with top top to a $300 bet and a call.

Remember this is the guy peeling 45o for 3k pre

This is from the $5/5 game on the 9/18
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:00 AM   #2818
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How do I post a Tweet here? I linked to it using the Twitter button on the top right of this box, but nothing showed up.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:01 AM   #2819
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thanks for posting this! he did an amazing job summarizing the situation to the general public.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:03 AM   #2820
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Justin is needed to get access to the data in the first place, and to make sure you don't get caught doing so. Without Justin, you have to figure out a strategy to sniff the data (already discussed how RFID readers would need to be very close and likely obvious), or hack into the booth's computers or networks somehow, all while not getting noticed by Justin, who's being told that players and commentators are suspecting foul play.

If you're Postle and Justin is not on your side, you have to worry about Justin finding out and then banning you and pressing charges. From Postle's perspective, that seems a lot riskier. With Justin being involved, you just need technology to get it from the booth's computers to Mike, which is pretty simple. You also don't have to worry nearly as much about getting caught since the person in charge of catching you is in on it. When there's an internal investigation, Justin runs it and conveniently finds out its all "fabrications." That makes the whole operation way less risky.

With Justin in on it, this whole story is so simple. The technology is simple, the explanations for why commentators and players raising suspicions and being dismissed are simple. If Justin is innocent, at a minimum he's awful at his job, and the level of sophistication required to get to where Postle got to goes up orders of magnitude.

Justin is guilty.
Underated post. Pretty much this.

Occam's razor.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:04 AM   #2821
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Anyone know if pokertableratings can still do searches or is company fully disbanded? They could have info on Mike's cashgame results.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:08 AM   #2822
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Address the accusations. Talk us through some specific hands and your thought process.
This is meaningless. Anyone here could write a response that post-rationalises it based on what they’ve seen on the streams.

There is nothing he can do to prove his innocence other than grind out another meaningful sample with a comparable win rate without a hat on and a phone in his lap.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:13 AM   #2823
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One other thing that I have just noticed is that they use different brand RFID decks.

Sometimes the Faded Spade brand, sometimes a more generic looking deck.

It could be they use different systems based on what deck is in play.
I believe Faded Spade was a sponsor at one point (maybe up to present), I remember they gave away some decks on stream.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:14 AM   #2824
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mikes p5s profile from 2007:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070608.../yngmanN4quiki
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:15 AM   #2825
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This is meaningless. Anyone here could write a response that post-rationalises it based on what they’ve seen on the streams.

There is nothing he can do to prove his innocence other than grind out another meaningful sample with a comparable win rate without a hat on and a phone in his lap.
the best way is to go LATB and play for a month.

put Gman, Andy, Nick, Art against him.

if he can win consecutively against them for many sessions, that will speak volumes of his godly skills he claims to have.
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