Featuring new player "Pike Mostle"!

Just chiming in to say I have never played with Mike P EVER at Thunder Valley which is literally 15 minutes away. Even with big games running I've never seen him.

No, wtf, they are very shocking. The thing is Mike is the best TAG, LAG and all in between, that is what makes iy clear he is cheating, the 95 hand and the 54 hand where he is a maniac genius shoving stacks with a pair into heavy overpair range where obv he knows its AK AQ and it works , but then he is nit hero folding KK, AQ, 88....., he is god.

heh, you think you are disagreeing with me but you just proved my point...
the fact those hands are suspicious are because of the other hands combined. e.g. you're essentially saying his play is inconsistent (e.g. maniac bluff/stack off but then nit folding kk pre). if he just did ONE of those hands, it might be surprising, but not even close to proof someone is cheating, let alone suspicious. there are tonnes of hands on youtube where ppl did way sicker plays.
but again, obviously combined together it is overwhelming evidence.
if you still don't get what i mean, imagine if you just saw him fold KK, with zero background to this story or any of the other hands. you might think it's a sick fold, but will it even cross your mind that he is cheating/superusing??

what he means is, in isolation/vacuum, each hand/session could be explained through variance/hitting the deck/sick read. It is all sessions and hands combined that make it statistically impossible, playing 99% of all hands perfectly as though the cards were face up. A single hand is not irrefutable evidence that he is cheating. on a stream like latb, we might see gman or andy in one or two insane hands a night. with mike, its hand after hand, session after session for months or even an entire year+.

I was thinking this too. Twenty-four hours ago (after seeing Joey's first video) he had a chance to say "It looks like I made a mistake", and he could have metaphorically thrown Mike Postle under the bus, partly to deflect attention from himself. His silence today might indicate he's missed his chance to separate himself from both Mike and the developing crisis around his "show". I suspect it's not going to end well for him.

For those saying he wont be caught/charged because there's no physical evidence of cheating...you're overlooking the tried and true way financial-type criminals get caught - by following the money trail. If Mike had a partner on the inside, which he mostly likely did, then there's no way investigators wont be able to find where money exchanged hands, whether it be directly via bank transactions or indirectly through evaluation of their standard of living and discretionary cash purchases in case they were smart enough to keep everything in cash. Investigators will ask why they passed money between each other and I don't think they'll accept "he staked me" as a believable answer.

Good point. Also with how brazen the alleged cheating was I wouldn't be surprised if there are incriminating texts and emails that could be uncovered.

Certainly we should and post links to this 2p2 thread for the viewers who won't know about it.

The players need to rally to get Justin fired imo. At this point moving forward the cheating will be less obvious and much harder to catch. And any game run by Justin Kuraitis will be open to possible cheating. Even if Mike Postle is run out of town on a rail, Justin could just cheat with another accomplice.

Anybody playing in a game run by Justin Kuraitis and having read through this thread is an idiot or an accomplice.

If you play at Stones or have played at Stones let it be known that Justin Kuraitis is not to be trusted to his higher ups.

Yep and also the fact of taxes, did Mr Postle and accomplice report and pay taxes on the winnings? How do they explain mike transferring money to his friend who never sent him money in the first place. I doubt they would pass an IRS audit. This thing has too many legal strings hanging out there. Plus, a cheating situation like this needs to get particularly bloody, otherwise it’s worth it to the next cheat to try and get away with it.

On his tweeter he is saying that he is actually watching the stream on his phone and i am pretty sure that it is at least partly true. Is he looking at anything else? Most likely. I mean with some effort you can explain every single hand in question. The only thing that can't be explained or justified is his win rate. Nobody is winning almost $1000/hr one-tabling life 1-3\5-5 games for over 250 hours straight. It is just so statistically improbable that at some point we have to convict him of the crime even in the absence of any other real evidence.

FYI, I just noticed this list is missing a stream. It was probably missed because Postle doesn't show up until the 3hr 30 minute mark (seat 5): https://youtu.be/C_pfxYldsfM?t=12600

This is July 6th, 2019.

If we find out he’s not cheating, does Hellmuth lose his White Magic title?

If he’s not cheating and can be proven innocent I have a feeling the line to the game may get a lot longer..

Of course this will never happen haha


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Good work, however (& I might be missing something in your detail) Justin does NOT need to be in the booth at the same time Mike is God-moding....because when you see the booth image and table image at the same time they are 30mins apart.

To illustrate this, using a 60 minute timeline from 0 to 60 (and assuming 30 minute booth delay is consistent), this means that Justin can be in backroom helping Mike between 0 and 30mins.....then Justin can go into booth between 31 and 60mins, and see how his (allegedly) assisted hands worked out from 0 to 30mins

Like I said, I might have misunderstood the "Justin & Mike on screen at same time" element of your post, so apologies if this is the case

Yeah, I second this. Never seen him playing any cash really anywhere in Northern California the last year or so. I know he goes to Reno a lot, this is from talking to him.

Actually the two streams I've played with him he specifically drove back from Reno to play the stream, according to him.

I'd be interested to hear if he plays anywhere there. Peppermill would be my only thought.

Here we go:
https://twitter.com/StonesGambling/s...564510720?s=20

https://twitter.com/StonesLivePoker/...05053884792833

Stones is suspending their stream until further notice and expanding their invesitgation.

yes sorry i am the dumb one....too much brandy..

Thanks, I'll be sure to update that tonight. I might get started on 2018 too.

just wanted to show an actual mid-high stakes pro, Christian Soto, commentating on Mikes play on Stones, its his first time watching Mike play. he's surprised by the play, then tries to justify it with logic and reasoning.

Haha so Stones is either in the pantheon of incompetent poker organisations throughout history or they've found that they suspect an employee (or employees) is in on it. Would like to see what their previous investigation was. Also shout out to the guy commenting constantly on the Mike supporters Twitter posts asking whether their examples of Mike losing were ever on stream (going to take a big leap and say no)

I'm maybe halfway through the thread...

I think even if you can find 2 or three sessions where he was down several buyins, I'd still be with the overwhelming evidence that he does cheat. I mean he could play like a somewhat not godmoded player, run bad in some 50/50 all ins or whatever and be down a few stacks and have a bad session.

Those sessions wouldn't convince me at all that he isn't 100% hacking, I'd still be convinced...but I'm amazed at the fact he didn't chose to have any of those type sessions, and people are at all skeptical of his cheating. Like he can't point to one session where he wasn't a supergod of poker (like phil ivey^2). Every session he was.

I would literally bet my entire life vs a dozen donuts that he's cheating if I could. Comes down to proving it. Maybe even a single large artisanal type of donut. Mmmmm donuts.

If he's not cheating he can actually read people for the exact cards they hold, like Matt Damon after the river in rounders in one scene. But he can do it all the time. So that's a possible explanation, maybe the likeliest.