I'm glad you're not Full Tilt's marketing manager

More people are attracted to poker than are turned off by it on account of Mike's zany actions, I assure you. More people are going to be interested in a site if they see someone who is crazy as **** such as Matusow, than if they see someone who is seemingly catatonic (Cunningham, Ivey, etc.)

there is a post somewhere from FTPDoug, where he says if someone does this consistently they can bar them from playing the mixed games. While I doubt they will bar Singer from playing anything.

Bart you're just wrong here, don't dig yourself deeper. It may not technically be against the "rules," but it's very bad etiquette/ethics. And, more specifically, a red-name pro should NOT be doing it.

Also, it doesn't help to contradict yourself. First you say:

Then in your very next post you proceed to use soccer as an analogy.

matusow types like he talks...... you a idiot imo.

This. It IS against the rules on Full Tilt to sit out certain games during mixed games, and they can ban you from playing mixed games, but aren't going to do it until they get complaints.

I don't know about Singer, but in my experience I've known tons of players who were both angle-shooters and "sticklers for rules", the latter being when it suited them. It's just another angle to these guys.

No one here knows if he was doing it. As I posted earlier, Singer is known as a stickler for following the rules. Given that and his very public HORSE success, it seems highly unlikely.

any poker player with 1/4 a brain can see this is very very bad form. It's if you went out all the time with friends and when the check comes the same guy is always coincidently goes for a smoke or bathroom break everytime.

singer is a rule abuser, and at the same time a huge nit.

Singer has been doing this for as far back as I can remember.

Typical lawyer bull**** type move.

1) If you think that I cannot use soccer as an analogy because I said that poker isn't sports, then you simply do not know what an analogy is. Look it up.

2) Provided that Singer really exploited the game (most people here don't think he did, Mikey just blew up again) - a red name pro should play the game the best way he can. If this game does not work with the current rules, I see no reason why he should support it. Fix the friggin rules!

To make the comparison about him sitting out on FTP vs. making the FT in HORSE at WSOP isn't even close. One can nut up to "play" in a major tourney vs. not playing in the same game online vs. amateurs. Bottom line is MM is right...people expect to play online with these pros. If he's sitting 3/5 of the HORSE game cause he doesn't feel like it or whatever is BS.

Matusow is the people's player...he rants just like a lot of folks in real life do playing online or sometimes live. He's a believable person that most can relate to. Him acting out of line isn't gonna hurt them.

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This post is ******ed on so many levels. Sad part is that Bart thinks he's right.

If Mike Matusow, Hoss_TBF, and possibly two others (JC Tran possibly being one of them) have noticed this, as well as the rail (And I certainly have, among others in this thread) then that certainly lends some credence to the accusation.

And I don't know what his HORSE success has to do with anything. Those are notoriously the weakest fields at the WSOP, it's quite different than sitting at a 6-handed cash table with the best mixed game players online.

He's also known to try to bend the rules in his favour, so again, him being a rules stickler doesn't mean he's not doing this.

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As an aisde, another thing I've noticed that needs to be addressed is Chau Gang (La Key U) occupying a seat at 3 or 4 tables, while only playing on one at a time. He'll take a seat at two HORSE tables, and maybe two Omaha tables, sit out on all of them except the juiciest game, and only play on that one. Then he'll sit out at that table, and play on another. He does this when most of these tables have a waiting list 10 people long. He's not breaking any rules, but it's pretty ridiculous.

i wonder what the rule nit singer would say if someone sat out in all the stud games against him

Well at least I can be right or wrong; you say nothing, so you can be neither.

One-liners, gotta love'm.

As said before, Singer probably did not deliberately sit out in the weaker games. But even if he did, it would NOT be angle shooting. Here's what an angle is:

http://www.pokernews.com/pokerterms/angle.html

Sitting out during your weaker games does not match these criteria.

It's the kind of thing that is a matter of etiquette and shouldn't need regulating, yes it's within the rules to sit out certain games, but like stalling near the bubble in tournaments it's bad form especially at that level.

It seems Mike was asked to raise the subject, but rather than letting David know the situation quietly and saying that people didn't like it he came across as basically flaming him ("ushouldnot be allowed to be in red" etc). Obviously DS is going to go on the defensive at this point so it becomes a slanging match - Hoss tried to be diplomatic about it but by then it was too late.

OKAY SO IS lolina Tim Phan ?????

I don't agree with this, if I've sat down to play HORSE and have taken the time to learn how to play all the games then why should someone else pick and choose only the games that suit them...go and play on the o8 tables or whatever.

And for what benefit does Singer get from sitting out? He saves a few posted blinds. If he chose not to play the flop games, and folded his blinds, no one would care. But he acts like an @#$%hole, gets the bad rap he deserves. I agree with Mike. Bad for the game, bad for Full Tilt.

If a maniac sits down at a table, everyone comes running.

Someone does the exact opposite, and it is angle shooting.

Seriously, poker is not a gentleman sport.

If I set up the game and the rules don't work out, I change the rules. I don't go to the players and say: "by the way, this could ruin the game, please don't do it, even though this means giving away part of your edge." That's ridiculous.

sitting out in your weakest game defeats the whole purpose of playing a mixed game

ill bet my roll they wont fire neither.

its english and there are only 2 minor errors. theres an extra h in "whole" and the interval between "table" and "one" is one letter off.

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bart, you should seriously stop posting. you went great lenghts to post the definition of "angle", but this definition actually proves you wrong. the very first sentence:
"An action that isn't against the rules, but still incorporates unfair tactics."
you honestly dont think this definition fits systematically sitting out specific games in a mixed game format?

just make it randomize the game every hand
problem solved

Who is Hoss_TBF? and what does TBF stand for?