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Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14 Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14

06-25-2014 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by afwoods
I'm trying to be funny. OK, seriously, if they drug test you and you have an RX, what happens then?
Cheat on test.
06-25-2014 , 10:28 PM
+1 to all of buttsauce's posts itt. Also, his roi is definitely higher playing pai gow than poker tournaments these days.
06-25-2014 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by trup_qq
I would like to see Mike address the huge wave of people saying he's a scumbag to the dealers, players, and staff at poker tournaments. He seems to gladly talk about his degen stories with a sick pride, but it's time to man up about being a scumbag to the dealers if that's the case.
I used to be a dealer. It is super gross when players pick on dealers. It tilts me to no end and they take advantage of the fact that dealers are trying to keep a job.

The floor is usually no help, and most of the other players at the table turn a blind eye.

Last edited by odiggity; 06-25-2014 at 10:57 PM.
06-25-2014 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
This is a load of bull**** though. If I was determined to turn my life around, the last thing to worry about would be getting a job IMO. If I managed to actually get over an addiction of your magnitude, I'd walk into job interviews with the attitude that this is the easiest part of the equation. Just go there, give a speech like in all those from a loser to a winner type movies you americans love to the bossman where you tell him your entire story, tell him how you overcame this much trouble and how you know that any chance you get is going to be your last, which is why you're going to be 300 times more motivated than anyone he could ever find. Tell them that you used to live in the streets and airports begging, and you've already come this far and you're not going to let some minor criminal record stop you. Plus nothing you did is even remotely connected to most jobs you'd applying for with your education, so the only risk for them would be you disappearing pretty much. Then offer to work for free for a couple of weeks as a try-out or something and surely you're gonna score something. It's 2014, clever bosses value motivation, creativity and those kinds of things a lot more than 50 years ago when what you said was probably true.

It doesn't sound like you have any kind of motivation to actually turn your life around though, so that's the major issue here, not getting a job.
big +1 to all your posts in the thread.

PSU MIKE THIS GUY HAS/IS GIVING YOU SOLID ADVICE FROM SOMEONE WHO SOUNDS LIKE HES HAD GAMBLING ADDICTIONS IN THE PAST. DONT TAKE IT AT YOUR PERIL
06-25-2014 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mullen
There is literally a 0% chance this guy ever turns his life around. Wake up everybody
I don't know why anybody would think he wants to change. He's a con man, and he's good at it. He's had lots of practice, been doing it for years. I think he enjoys it, he gambles to give him an excuse to con people. One feeds on the other. How many hours a day does he 'work', a couple? Sociopaths don't mind telling their stories, they don't care what we think of them. When we see him in an airport conning someone now, we'll feel sorry for him and not blow the whistle. That's why he posted what he did.
06-25-2014 , 10:40 PM
Ooh! You can play Pai Gow on line for real money! Google it!
06-25-2014 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by odiggity
I used to be a dealer. It is super gross when players pick on dealers. It tilts me to no end and they take advantage of the facts that dealers are trying to keep a job.

The floor is usually no help, and most of the other players at the table turn a blind eye.
Where I live, I have applied for a job in the cage, hoping to eventually get to deal, and I didn't get an interview despite my degrees from both local colleges. But I am not Native American, so I have no chance. The story of me showing up to the rez wearing a suit to the job fair they were having is pretty comical. The guy in line ahead of me had one arm and smelled like Tequila, and he had a better chance than me.

That being said the "trying to keep a job" argument holds no air for me. But, I am nice to everbody, even the dealers I don't like. i think maybe once after a bad beat I have said, "How can you put that card on the river?" and later said of course I was joking ... but this was a particularly bad dealer, and for some reason, my instinct was to blame him, which of course is wrong. But this is where I play, in the town where I live. If I was outside my turf, and a dealer was being a jerk, I might be pretty vocal about it.

I haven't seen many players be perpetual jerks, they get tossed.

Last edited by afwoods; 06-25-2014 at 10:50 PM. Reason: Last sentence
06-25-2014 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by spikes
In his mind, they can't tell him what to do, so it takes being locked up in a real prison before it finally dawns on him that his actions have consequences.

I have no doubt he will keep scamming until he is put away for a lengthy stretch in prison. That's what usually happens, prisons are chock full of people just like him.
I agree with this. As of right now, it does seem to be in everyone's best interest including his own that he is locked away for a very long time. If he is unwilling to take ownership of his issues and make real changes then I just don't see a better alternative. That's not to say that the US penal system is a good option, but it may be the best option for him. Based on his stories, it seems that his quality of life would actually be improved in prison (especially considering where it appears he will be headed from here).

Over the past 10 years PSUmike has been a parasitic sponge on society, but for the most part his crimes have been relatively minor. He mainly scams people out of a few hundred or less. At one point he scammed some people out of a few thousand, and of course his one heavy hitter was the check scam but overall his negative impact on society is somewhat negligible.

However, who is to say what he will do next? I don't know PSUmike, but even I knew him and thought he was a great funny person whose company I really enjoy, would it shock me if he robbed a bank? No. Would it shock me if he murdered someone? Absolutely not. He is a man with a serious addiction that NEEDS money to gamble with. If he does not have money, who is to predict what he will resort to in order to get that money? He said it himself that scamming people at the airport is not within his character. The addiction help drive his actions.
06-25-2014 , 10:44 PM
OP, do you play the fortune bonus? If so, for what % of your bet amount?
06-25-2014 , 11:07 PM
PSUmike, do not listen to these haters that want you fail. Get your big score and walk away on top. 15 years at the grind and you are bound for a big score. Gogogogogogogogogogog
06-25-2014 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by legallyShoved
PSUmike, do not listen to these haters that want you fail. Get your big score and walk away on top. 15 years at the grind and you are bound for a big score. Gogogogogogogogogogog
But he can't walk away. If he could, he never would have lost $150k in 40 minutes. I believe there is at least some truth to that story. Some poker players have two minds that grapple, compulsion (aka "feel") with logic. This guy, there is no logic. He's mastered compulsion though.
06-25-2014 , 11:18 PM
I want to hear about the supposed angle shoot, where Mike says "10" on the river after a check, and then tables 5 high after ace high mucks. That was an angle, and we know it, but I would like to see you admit to it. It would do you some good.

The other day, I saw a card as a player folded and I announced it to the table, dealer checked, I was right and the dealer showed it. Would you ever even think of doing something like that? Just for the sake of fairness?

Because you gotta start there man. You gotta be a person of integrity first, and the rest will fall into place.

Also, that is a great angle, been fooled by it once, never again. You got any more?
06-25-2014 , 11:18 PM
A guy I know just finished 5 years in a Calif. prison. He said that it's wasn't all that bad. Most people spent the day watching TV, reading, working out and...playing poker. Sounds like a ideal lifestyle choice for Mike.
06-25-2014 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish Taco
On a side note do you really think you are going to be able to call casinos on behalf of this guy and have him banned? Lol
Obviously wouldnt call every casino, but if he moves to Philly and proves he's willing to change his life, then I wouldn't mind spending a couple hours to help out. Banning wouldn't solve the problem, but it will make it more difficult to relapse
06-25-2014 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AKingdom
I think that we can add a new term to our lexicon...

Borovetz: to borrow with no intention of paying back.
How did this not get more <3 ?
06-25-2014 , 11:33 PM
I will buy Mike a bus ticket to Philly if you agree to take him under your wing.
06-25-2014 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AKingdom
I think that we can add a new term to our lexicon...

Borovetz: to borrow with no intention of paying back.
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Originally Posted by DonkeyCopter
How did this not get more <3 ?

Because that definition was taken already by Chino'ed
06-25-2014 , 11:42 PM
I played with Mike in a Bike circuit event a couple years ago. He was the guy everyone loved to hate but sounds like he was a couple months removed from prison so I'll give him a break.

OP - your idea of binking a tourney for $500k may honestly be the dumbest thing you wrote in your very detailed thread. Go back and read you own writing, the story is simple:

I win $xxxx amount of money. I lose $xxxx amount of money degen'ing in pit.

$xxxx number changes, has grown over time, but the end is identical. If you blew $150k in 40 minutes, $500k will be gone in an afternoon.

I have a honest question / idea ---- is there anyway you could play exclusively poker and cut the pit games cold-turkey? I think you could beat soft small/mid-stakes live games and make enough to get on your feet. Try to turn your addiction problem into a crazy focus into beating poker games.

Mike, read/listen to some of the Merson interviews. He was real deep into drug addiction and he was able to beat it. You could do it too but it is not going to happen overnight.
06-25-2014 , 11:49 PM
I think he could jw, but not anytime soon. He needs to step away from the whole thing and get some perspective first.
06-25-2014 , 11:54 PM
IMO this thread would be a hell of a lot better if people would quit giving Mike advice. Its simply not wanted. He's a smart guy and knows what to do but won't. I want daily updates on the degens day to day living.
06-26-2014 , 12:02 AM
I have personaly lost someone I loved to suicide, based on massive financial problems. I know how hard it is on the family, and I know what it's like to feel like, "I wish he would have just called me, I would have talked him out of it. " and we could get him some help, and I think that's why I take these "spiraling out of control" situations very seriously.

He's like a guy having a bad acid trip ... we gotta talk him down, let it wear off. Once he can gain some perspective, there is hope we can wake up the rational side of his brain, which is totally failing in stopping him from making bad decisions.
06-26-2014 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PSUMike1999
In early 2008 I was in Las Vegas and I had about $1000 on me. I went to the Venetian and played paigow tiles(learned that game a few months before and started only playing that) and won $150,000. That was the most amount of money I had ever had on me and again I didn't do the right thing. I never called Little Man and asked him to hold it - I never gave it to my parents to hold for me. No, I cashed out the chips and flew to New York to visit my sisters. I checked into a nearby LaGuardia hotel and spent some time with my sisters who live in NYC. They immediately wanted me to give them all that money so I wouldn't gamble it back but I stupidly said no. I told them there is no way I would lose all of that money and they just gave up asking. I wish I had given it to them. I decided out of the blue 1 day to take a cab from the hotel by LaGuardia Airport to Mohegan Sun Casino. I wanted to win another $150,000 I guess who knew what the heck I was thinking. Anyways, I get there and I proceed to lose just about everything. I was betting $10,000 a hand and lost it all in about 40 minutes. This VP of gaming introduced himself to me after and told me he would give me butler service and get me anything I want. I told him I wanted to go back to New York because I lost close to $150,000 and I didn't want to be there anymore. They gave me a limo back to the hotel and when I had checked in I was bragging to everyone there about my big score and tipping $20's and some $50's to managers and employees. I kept extending my stay there day after day after day because I couldn't leave my room I was so depressed. I was an elite member of this hotel brand because I stayed over 60 nights a year so they believed me when I told them that I had sent my money back home and I was waiting for a bank wire. This hotel let me stay for almost 2 weeks in the middle of February without paying for my room. Finally the manager knocked on my door 1 day and told me to come down to his office to speak with him. I went down and he was with a couple of security officers and told me that I had to settle up the bill. He said I owed $4900 and if I didn't pay it right then they would call the police. I obviously didn't have the money on me to pay so they called the police and 2 detectives from Queens precinct came and took me to the station "just to question me" they said. I answered honestly to them(probably should have asked for a lawyer but I didn't) and after about 20 minutes of questioning I was arrested and charged with Grand Larceny and defrauding an innkeeper. I was sent to central booking and my bail was set at $25,000 and shipped to Rikers Island. In a span of 3-4 weeks I went from having $150,000 and at least a chance to get my life together to losing it all and sitting on Rikers Island in early March of 2008 for Grand Larceny.

Next Post in a few minutes.
PSA to everyone reading this:


As someone who works in law enforcement, in New York state, there is a lot of bull**** coming from PSUmike. First of all, in his earlier post about his charges in California, he's leaving something out, there's no way he caught a burglary chharge off of passing forged checks. Burglary is defined differently in every state of course, but I don't see how you can possibly be charged with a burglary for passing bad checks...

There is also no such charge in New York State as "Defrauding an inkeeper."
06-26-2014 , 12:10 AM
one awesome thing about Mikey B - in a world full of Beats by Dre, he still wears Walkman headphones
06-26-2014 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Why do you think this would make any difference?

You've binked enough cash to start a new life several times already and yet never have. You're on a treadmill chasing a dream that will always be out of reach because you will always move the goal posts. So you bink $500K. You'll take $100K to the pit to try and win another $500K and make it a cool million. That $100K will be gone in fifteen minutes. So then you'll start chasing loses. And by lunch you'll have lost the $500K.

Rise. Repeat.

The only way to win is to not play.
This is correct and someone like Archie Karas is testament to that. Money is clearly meaningless to someone in this situation. Everyone always wants more than they have regardless of their status.

I remember an old heavily addicted gambling degen friend of mine telling me once that he was never happy until he'd lost all his money. Not sure if that 's how all addicts feel but it's certainly stuck in my mind to this day.

It's obvious that Mike should go cold turkey but it seems he's so far gone at this stage that his wish to blow his last $5k at wsop feels like it hardly makes any difference either way.

Given the sums he's freely thrown around in the past $5k seems inconsequential but in reality it's a sum he could probably use as some sort of start if he was able to put his mind to it. If it was possible to remove gambling from his life a sum such as this would take on so much more meaning but this seems worlds away at this stage.
06-26-2014 , 12:12 AM
get a job

      
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